Russian Planes Approach Canadian Airspace

[MHz]

Hey. Now you're starting to get it. Good going. It's part of the reason why the other NATO countries are complaining that Canada is not carrying it's own weight.

The cold war was the US and the former USSR only, it had nothing to do with any NATO member. It was also a lot more US than USSR.
If you expect payment from NATO countries you are going to have to show you are willing to listen to those countries rather than strictly dictate policy for that whole body.

 

[RanchHand]

The US is footing the bill for 25% of the cost of running NATO. We probably have 10 times as many troops as all of the other countries combined. We have less business being a part of NATO than you do. I hope I live long enough to see the US pull out of NATO and let you and the Europeans fend for yourselves.

 

[Machjo]

The US is footing the bill for 25% of the cost of running NATO. We probably have 10 times as many troops as all of the other countries combined. We have less business being a part of NATO than you do. I hope I live long enough to see the US pull out of NATO and let you and the Europeans fend for yourselves.

This reminds me of a story. A woman was watching the news one day when she heard that a driver was driging on the wrong side of the highway. She looked at the time and realised her husband was on his way home. So she called him to inform him of this,to which he responded:

It's not ust one man driving on the wrong side of the highway! They all are!

You see, the US has 10 times as many troops as all the other countreis combined, yet it's not the US that's out of the ordinary in this. It's all the other countreis that are so strange for their concern with balanced bugets and providing quality education for their people. The US is the only country out of the whole bunch that's got it right, and the rest are all wrong. Really, it's not the US that's strange for such high expenditures. It's all the other contries that ought to be repremanded for not spending like drunken sailors at the bar.

 

[taxslave]

If OBAMA had not been coming to Canada would the Russians? Or perhaps more to the point would our media have noticed?

 

[Colpy]

The cold war was the US and the former USSR only, it had nothing to do with any NATO member. It was also a lot more US than USSR.
If you expect payment from NATO countries you are going to have to show you are willing to listen to those countries rather than strictly dictate policy for that whole body.

Do you actually know what you are saying????

NATO exists because of the Cold War.

the Cold War started because the USSR did not live up to its agreements on self-determination for the countries "liberated" from the Germans after World War Two, especially (but certainly not limited to) Poland.

The term Iron Curtian, which signaled the beginning of the Cold War, was coined by Winston Churchill.....who was hardly an American.

Every nation in Europe, Warsaw Pact or NATO, was involved in the Cold War......

For God's sake, or at least ours on the forum, read some history!!!!!

:roll:

 

[ironsides]

We bankrupt the Russian economy. Russian people wanted what they saw our people on TV, Now Russia has traffic jams like everyone else. Organized crime like everyone else. Could they be any luckier?

 

[petros]

The US is footing the bill for 25% of the cost of running NATO and......

Afghani heroin pays the rest!

 

[Machjo]

"Hate to put a fly in the ointment but that is why we are in Afghanistan. Now if the troops were assisting US forces on US soil that paints a whole different picture. To be half a world away fighting because that is where the US says it's enemies are is stretching that friendship more than a little."



Guess you would much prefer to fight in your yard or backyard. Much better to keep the fighting over there. As long as we have been keeping our enemy busy there, we have enjoyed relative security here, If someone ever gets to land on our shores, it would be to late. Grumble, grumble, that is all some of you can do. Enjoy life, you live in a fantastic country.

That's pure speculation. In Afghanistan, not every local is an enemy, yet they all get cought in the crossfire too. But, hey, they're not citizens of Canada, so they're not counted as 'casualties'. We count them as 'collateral damage' instead, like they were just old used computer scraps. And have you got any proof whatsoever that had we not entered Afghanistan that the war would have been brought into our own backyard, or is this just a reflection of your philosophy of 'if they don't speak 'white', they must be our enemies'?

 

[Machjo]

If OBAMA had not been coming to Canada would the Russians? Or perhaps more to the point would our media have noticed?

What made it a newsworthy event is that the government chose to release the information at a new conference. The Russians had informed us of their aircraft being in the area before it was even there. Even the Canadian government doesn't deny this. If I were the Russian ambassador to Canada, I'd feel like take the government to court for defamation of Russia's national character. Though the government never made any accusations, protests or anything of the sort, it's clear if we read between the lines that it is implying that Russia did something wrong. And the intent is clear.

 

[Machjo]

Do you actually know what you are saying????

NATO exists because of the Cold War.

the Cold War started because the USSR did not live up to its agreements on self-determination for the countries "liberated" from the Germans after World War Two, especially (but certainly not limited to) Poland.

The term Iron Curtian, which signaled the beginning of the Cold War, was coined by Winston Churchill.....who was hardly an American.

Every nation in Europe, Warsaw Pact or NATO, was involved in the Cold War......

For God's sake, or at least ours on the forum, read some history!!!!!

:roll:

This is true, and that's why NATO should be disbanded. The Cold War is over, or at least should be over.

 

[Machjo]

We bankrupt the Russian economy. Russian people wanted what they saw our people on TV, Now Russia has traffic jams like everyone else. Organized crime like everyone else. Could they be any luckier?

Way to go. Instead of helping other countries to develop, we have as a goal to bankrupt them. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

 

[Risus]

What made it a newsworthy event is that the government chose to release the information at a new conference. The Russians had informed us of their aircraft being in the area before it was even there. Even the Canadian government doesn't deny this. If I were the Russian ambassador to Canada, I'd feel like take the government to court for defamation of Russia's national character. Though the government never made any accusations, protests or anything of the sort, it's clear if we read between the lines that it is implying that Russia did something wrong. And the intent is clear.

Its just a war of words. It will blow over..

 

[ironsides]

They provide aid and comfort to our enemy. "War is Hell" to quote my Great, Great, Great Uncle.

 

[ironsides]

Help Russia develop? As I said before we were at war whether it be economic (Cold) or a actual war (Hot), you are in it to win.

 

[Tyr]

Help Russia develop? As I said before we were at war whether it be economic (Cold) or a actual war (Hot), you are in it to win.

Therin lies a conundrum. How can you be at war (in theory) with a country (Russia) that has EXACTLY the same value systems as you (USA), be it, economically, politically, spiritually and morally?

You would think you would be much more opposed to a country that DOESN'T adhere to your value system (see '000's of posts on Afghanistan) such as Saudi Arabia... An Islamic monarchy.

Forget the history argument 'cause that idea doesn't wash (see Germany, Japan, Italy, Hungary, Romania, etc).

Just curious....

 

[Spade]

One could make a list of all the countries with which the States was at war. It's over a 100.

 

[Tyr]

A beef with Russia?

how about Artic sovereignty........

Meanwhile, Russia is rapidly slipping back to the despotic bad old days, while our friends, neighbours and brothers to the south seem to be shedding the worst aspects of the Bush years.

I can't believe anyone would seriously consider for a nanosecond that Russia would be a better ally than the USA :roll:

Man, do you need to read some history!!!!!!!

Man, do you need to read some history!!!!!!

I do and if I had the choice in 2002, I'd a been lobbying for a Russian-Canadian trade agreement and mutual defence pact.

Today. Not so sure. It'd be a coin flip. Ask me again if another nutbar like Bush gets to be president. That could be within 4 yrs.

That's called "keeping history in perspective"

 

[Tyr]

"The cold war ended because everyone who had nukes realized there was no winning this war"

Completely and totally wrong. The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it. Again, my tax dollars paid for it.

The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it.

In a round about way that would be part of the reason. The other parts were being... Dictatorships generally don't have long lives (there are exceptions - Franco) and the desire by the USSR to change lead to a much more liberal society..... Much like the USA and France in the 1700's getting rid of monarchies

 

[ironsides]

Guess it grew out of the Red Menace scare (Stalin and Korean Conflict). Russia did not have the same value systems when the Cold War started, looks like they do not now either. (politically or economically). Russia seems to have taken a step back with Putin now in power.
It was what it was.

 

[ironsides]

"The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it."

That is the real reason for the end of Communist Russia as we knew it. Now thanks to oil Russia is back.