Not bad, the racist comments didn't pop up at the beginning of the post. That they eventually did means you have some work to do still.
Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
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What happens when the eastern half votes to go the same way Crimea has gone (citizens and military)? Does NATO then object and invade?
Against Russia or Crimea for not resisting the 'invasion'?
Bottom line, if Russian troops go only where they are wanted, Russia will have no problems. If they go beyond that is where they might run into trouble.
And if the eastern half wants them as shown in the vote totals??
Like Syria and Iran. You can bet your bottom dollar that co-operation just got a whole better as far as identifying and killing instigators in both places.
I would also bet that lots of HQ video wll be taken in Crimea and the rest of the Ukraine and broadcast to the voters so they can see the differences between the two. The WEST says bank loans under the banks terms so Russia should lend Crimea the rest of the $15B (12 left) and the Ukraine can add that to it's debt list that it wants from the IMF. Tack on that Crimea gets NG at the reduced rate and the rest of the country can go with NATO's plan of a 40% increase in the price the people pay above what would be the 'going rate'. That alone should swing some votes at the booths.
Goes to show you the best thing to come out of Texas is an empty bus.
When is the last time Canada was ever free to vote on anything? We can't even vote on pot without the US poking her nose into it. Did we have that same right on Colorado?
The fact of the matter is that the "Russian" part of the Ukraine came about under the USSR and after Stalin's starvation and murder of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. The wanted Russians settled in the Ukraine to make sure that they held control over the Ukraine. The Ukraine is known as the "bread basket" of the area and the Russians wanted the crops that the Ukraine produced. Under communism, the Russians were starving so relied on the Ukrainians to feed them, while the Ukrainians themselves starved.
I do believe that Russia will invade the Ukraine and that the EU or the West will be able to do nothing about it. The Ukrainians who want to ally with the West will be left on their own - again.
JMHO
I do believe that Russia will invade the Ukraine and that the EU or the West will be able to do nothing about it. The Ukrainians who want to ally with the West will be left on their own - again.
JMHO
Having said that, the Ukrainians need to get rid of the politicians who are so corrupt and have bankrupted the country, so they must assume some responsibility for who they elected.
LOL, 'within a few inches' means they aren't going to do anything because that would make them look stupid on the world stage.
Arseniy Yatsenyuk says Ukraine 'on the brink of disaster' | XRepublic
Speaking to reporters, he said: "If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wants to be the president who started the war between two neighbouring and friendly countries, Ukraine and Russia, he's reached this target within a few inches". - See more at: Arseniy Yatsenyuk says Ukraine 'on the brink of disaster' | XRepublic
Arseniy Yatsenyuk says Ukraine 'on the brink of disaster' | XRepublic
Speaking to reporters, he said: "If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wants to be the president who started the war between two neighbouring and friendly countries, Ukraine and Russia, he's reached this target within a few inches". - See more at: Arseniy Yatsenyuk says Ukraine 'on the brink of disaster' | XRepublic
They can vote on their fate, if they see no gains then why wouldn't they all want Russia to be their 'banker and military force' That seems to have worked quite nicely in Crimea. They culd always do what Iceland did, no better time than the present when all the world is watching. (and recording)
The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.
The summit is due to be hosted by Russia in the city of Sochi.
Prime Minister David Cameron said British ministers would also now not attend the Paralympic Games in Sochi.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is looking to seek the help of Britain and America to maintain its security as Britain says "The sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine has been violated"
Ukraine crisis: Britain pulls out of G8 preparatory talks
BBC News
2 March 2014
British Foreign Secretary William Hague: "The sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine has been violated"
The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.
The summit is due to be hosted by Russia in the city of Sochi.
Prime Minister David Cameron said British ministers would also now not attend the Paralympic Games in Sochi.
The decisions were announced as Foreign Secretary William Hague flew to Kiev for talks with Ukraine's new leaders, amid rising tension with Russia.
Ukrainian acting president Olexander Turchynov has ordered a full mobilisation of Ukrainian military forces.
Mr Hague has said he will reiterate UK support for Ukraine's sovereignty.
A Downing Street spokesman said: "The Prime Minister remains gravely concerned about events in Ukraine and is determined to pursue all avenues to reduce tensions and de-escalate a very dangerous situation."
The West has responded to the Ukraine crisis with frenetic diplomatic activity. But beyond strong words of condemnation, real pressure on Moscow appears muted.
William Hague said his overwhelming priority was to calm tensions. He urged Russia to speak directly to the Ukrainians. In terms of sanctions, he said Britain and others would suspend preparatory meetings of the G8 summit in June.
Mr Hague seemed to want to appear even-handed. He also had a firm message for the Kiev government - calling on them not to respond to provocation and to protect the Russian speaking minorities to avoid any pretext for Russia to expand its military ambitions.
It looks doubtful there are any more forceful options which the West would be prepared to use to loosen Russia's hold on Crimea. NATO has no legally binding alliance with Ukraine.
So even though its secretary general said today that Russia's actions were threatening peace and security in Europe, military intervention is not on the cards.
The spokesman said Mr Cameron would speak about the situation to US President Barack Obama, the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite on Sunday evening.
He said Mr Cameron remained "fully supportive of our Paralympic athletes' participation at Sochi".
Before leaving for Kiev, Mr Hague said: "We have to recognise the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Ukraine has been violated and this cannot be the way to conduct international affairs.
"And so, in addition to calling yesterday's emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, the United Kingdom will join other G8 countries this week in suspending our co-operation under the G8, which Russia chairs this year, including the meetings this week for the preparation of the G8 summit."
He said Britain would keep its approach to further G8 meetings under review.
In Brussels, Nato held emergency talks about Russia's move to take control of Crimea.
Just before the meeting, Nato secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Russia's troop deployments violated the principles of the United Nations charter and threatened peace and security in Europe.
"Russia must stop its military activities and its threats," he said.
British-based Ukrainians staged a protest outside Russia's embassy in Kensington Palace Gardens, London
The protest was occasionally noisy but remained peaceful
Some protesters aimed their criticism at President Putin personally
The Ukrainian government has said it will seek the help of US and UK leaders to guarantee its security.
BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Britain pulls out of G8 preparatory talks
http://www.eturbonews.com/43252/world-war-three-making
The summit is due to be hosted by Russia in the city of Sochi.
Prime Minister David Cameron said British ministers would also now not attend the Paralympic Games in Sochi.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is looking to seek the help of Britain and America to maintain its security as Britain says "The sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine has been violated"
Ukraine crisis: Britain pulls out of G8 preparatory talks
BBC News
2 March 2014
British Foreign Secretary William Hague: "The sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine has been violated"
The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.
The summit is due to be hosted by Russia in the city of Sochi.
Prime Minister David Cameron said British ministers would also now not attend the Paralympic Games in Sochi.
The decisions were announced as Foreign Secretary William Hague flew to Kiev for talks with Ukraine's new leaders, amid rising tension with Russia.
Ukrainian acting president Olexander Turchynov has ordered a full mobilisation of Ukrainian military forces.
Mr Hague has said he will reiterate UK support for Ukraine's sovereignty.
A Downing Street spokesman said: "The Prime Minister remains gravely concerned about events in Ukraine and is determined to pursue all avenues to reduce tensions and de-escalate a very dangerous situation."
The West has responded to the Ukraine crisis with frenetic diplomatic activity. But beyond strong words of condemnation, real pressure on Moscow appears muted.
William Hague said his overwhelming priority was to calm tensions. He urged Russia to speak directly to the Ukrainians. In terms of sanctions, he said Britain and others would suspend preparatory meetings of the G8 summit in June.
Mr Hague seemed to want to appear even-handed. He also had a firm message for the Kiev government - calling on them not to respond to provocation and to protect the Russian speaking minorities to avoid any pretext for Russia to expand its military ambitions.
It looks doubtful there are any more forceful options which the West would be prepared to use to loosen Russia's hold on Crimea. NATO has no legally binding alliance with Ukraine.
So even though its secretary general said today that Russia's actions were threatening peace and security in Europe, military intervention is not on the cards.
The spokesman said Mr Cameron would speak about the situation to US President Barack Obama, the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite on Sunday evening.
He said Mr Cameron remained "fully supportive of our Paralympic athletes' participation at Sochi".
Before leaving for Kiev, Mr Hague said: "We have to recognise the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Ukraine has been violated and this cannot be the way to conduct international affairs.
"And so, in addition to calling yesterday's emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, the United Kingdom will join other G8 countries this week in suspending our co-operation under the G8, which Russia chairs this year, including the meetings this week for the preparation of the G8 summit."
He said Britain would keep its approach to further G8 meetings under review.
In Brussels, Nato held emergency talks about Russia's move to take control of Crimea.
Just before the meeting, Nato secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Russia's troop deployments violated the principles of the United Nations charter and threatened peace and security in Europe.
"Russia must stop its military activities and its threats," he said.
British-based Ukrainians staged a protest outside Russia's embassy in Kensington Palace Gardens, London
The protest was occasionally noisy but remained peaceful
Some protesters aimed their criticism at President Putin personally
The Ukrainian government has said it will seek the help of US and UK leaders to guarantee its security.
BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Britain pulls out of G8 preparatory talks
http://www.eturbonews.com/43252/world-war-three-making
When America invaded a sovereign country Iraq it was OK the Americans said they were protecting their interest. Russia does it it's not OK what is the difference between the two?
Look Buddy, we are NOT going to STAND for this kind of mistaken accusation against our comrade MHz!!
"MHz...your an idiot" is not the kind of thing we put up with here.
It is "MHz...you're an idiot".....
Please, in future, do NOT make the same mistake.
Got a vid of that event or are you just referencing bodybags?
That steel plate a little cold this morning??
Exactly. The West should get an invite from Ukraine to send a few troops there as a "trigger"..............call Putin's bluff, at least in western Ukraine.
Poland and Czech Republic has been immensely supportive and will commit. If Poland goes in to help it forces the hand of NAC to act..
No, there is no need for the West to get involved in any way except thru some rhetoric.
The US has no skin in that game and the Brits are useless at doing anything.
Best is to do nothing.
Putin has got himself a mess on his hands now. This will go on for years. Putin is using 19th century tactics to deal with 21st century issues.
Now that the toothpaste is otta the tube, Putin will not be able to put it back in.
For the West, do a lot of shouting but do nothing militarily. It's a Putin problem now!!
The US has no skin in that game and the Brits are useless at doing anything.
Best is to do nothing.
Putin has got himself a mess on his hands now. This will go on for years. Putin is using 19th century tactics to deal with 21st century issues.
Now that the toothpaste is otta the tube, Putin will not be able to put it back in.
For the West, do a lot of shouting but do nothing militarily. It's a Putin problem now!!
Putins bluff! By weight that bluff looks to be about several millions tons of armaments and personnel.