Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

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If Russia invades Ukraine, it'll be like us invading Afghanistan. Russia could expect to have to tough it out for years before finally giving up, and in the end Ukraine will turn even more pro-EU. What is Russia thinking? All Russia will have to show for it is massive debt, dead soldiers, and and a ruined international reputation that would take years to rebuild.
There will be many people killed on both sides and that point is forgotten while talking about the toys and politics of war. Russia has no claim on Ukraine the money owed will be paid in time.
Only people with no brains would justify a war between the two countries and promote bloodshed in a region that will affect us all whether we see it now or not.

I love this country Canada and we are not perfect but we have it very well here .
Now take this to heart all those who want this to happen as I do not say this often.....with Russia attacking another country it is an act of war and we as the world are one step away from another cold war which at any point in time will not bode well for any of us. So rather than speaking like it is happening on another planet remember we all live on this little ball in the universe called earth and if we kill all this where the hell will we go.... because if things here on Earth get out of hand we will all go the way of the dinosaur .
 

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My concern at this stage is not a cold war, but a hot war. Remember, Russia is a nuclear power, and if the US got involved, suddenly we either have a proxy war between two nuclear powers or, worse yet, direct conflict between them. Sure they'd likely both restrain from nuclear attack, but can we guarantee that the one losing will continue to restrain itself?

probably best to try to reduce tensions now.
 

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Why does everyone believe that the US should be involved or that that level of assistance required is that massive?
 

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Of course I'm not denying that Russia's military is far more powerful than Ukrain's, but it's jsut a reality, and even Sun Tsu's the Art of War confirms this, that even a weak army will fight far more fiercely when it has no other choice. The US lost 'casue Americans could always go home but the vietnamese had nowhere else to go if they lost. Same with Iraq and Afghanistan. Wer did kind of win there but consider the investment we had to put into it. Same here between Russia and Ukraine. the Russians can pack up and leave, the Ukrainians have no where else to go so they'll just fight.
 

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MHz you are right the USA is invading Ukraine from the Russian side disguised as Russian troops and managed to take over all of Russia to do this. They are holding Putin as hostage being that he wanted peace and would not invade Ukraine , those poor peace loving Russians who have helped the world in many instances over the years through many disasters.

NOW BACK TO REALITYcongratulations MHz...your an idiot
Nothing from reality to back up your position so you are left posting this kind of garbage. ROFLMAO

Ukraine the land of the free Nyet Nyet Soviet



Looks different than an invasion by the West.
 
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If Russia invades Ukraine, it'll be like us invading Afghanistan. Russia could expect to have to tough it out for years before finally giving up, and in the end Ukraine will turn even more pro-EU. What is Russia thinking? All Russia will have to show for it is massive debt, dead soldiers, and and a ruined international reputation that would take years to rebuild.
You spelled out how the American invasion is going quite well, only they will be pro-Russian, pro-Syrian and pro-Iranian, etc.

The rest of you post is wishful thinking and again you are describing what happens to places that the US is calling the shots for. Notice how the US is trying to save face by putting distance between it and freedom for the Ukraine. I'll wait till they admit the $5B they spend was a mistake and we both know that will never happen. All the US has in this instance is the propaganda machine and that is turning out not so well because any pic from Crimea are peaceful pictures, it is the 'other side' of the Ulraine that is doing and the bitching and whining rather than putting their own affairs in order.
 

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Everyone predicted this. Once Bush and clan starting the ball rolling it was quite predictable that invasions with or without cause would surface, and the west would have very little credibility to denounce them.
 

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There will be many people killed on both sides and that point is forgotten while talking about the toys and politics of war. Russia has no claim on Ukraine the money owed will be paid in time. .
Why not sooner than later? $3B in advances on the $15 and pay off the $1.5 in gas bills. How about you start there and then talks can go on and really what is there to even talk about. The West wanted the area under their control and they have it. Crimea still has elections coming up in 30 days, the West just has to get them to vote to reject Moscow's help. How hard could that be with all the NGO's running around the Ukraine these days.

Only people with no brains would justify a war between the two countries and promote bloodshed in a region that will affect us all whether we see it now or not. .
Move yourself to the front of the line.

I love this country Canada and we are not perfect but we have it very well here . .
You are an 'I' and not a 'we' unless you are a .tard'. (which you are without a doubt)

Now take this to heart all those who want this to happen as I do not say this often.....
I'm betting this is a lie.

.with Russia attacking another country it is an act of war and we as the world are one step away from another cold war which at any point in time will not bode well for any of us. .
They didn't attack, they were invited in.

So rather than speaking like it is happening on another planet remember we all live on this little ball in the universe called earth and if we kill all this where the hell will we go.... because if things here on Earth get out of hand we will all go the way of the dinosaur .
You really are one fuked up little pony aren't you?

My concern at this stage is not a cold war, but a hot war. Remember, Russia is a nuclear power, and if the US got involved, suddenly we either have a proxy war between two nuclear powers or, worse yet, direct conflict between them. Sure they'd likely both restrain from nuclear attack, but can we guarantee that the one losing will continue to restrain itself?

probably best to try to reduce tensions now.
Like NATO even has a choice. Instead of bitching about Russia and Crimea they better be looking for way to win at the voting booths in a few months time. The 'rebels' already rejected some of the US stooges so it isn't a done deal for the US at the moment.

Why does everyone believe that the US should be involved or that that level of assistance required is that massive?
Like the covert war they always start with, Crimea might turn in every agitator that pops up and how embarrassing would it be for NATO's methods to be exposed? They already just got showed to the world that they can't respond to events as they unfold and money issues are more important than safety of the people. Not a big surprise.

Cause most of europe is too left to stand up to russia.
In this case it seems to be 'all of Europe' can't stand up to Russia.

Are they? Why would it take all of Europe?
You see Russia being challenged at the moment? Didn't think so.

It might be wise for the US to not get involved.

Even without intervention, the Ukrainians themselves could give Russia a run for tis money.
They are already involved to the tune of $5B in seed money for the agitators.

Really, it seems they can't even come up with a budget that works.

Of course I'm not denying that Russia's military is far more powerful than Ukrain's, but it's jsut a reality, and even Sun Tsu's the Art of War confirms this, that even a weak army will fight far more fiercely when it has no other choice. .
Iraq and Afghanistan would seem to be two recent examples. The citizens of Crimea wanted Russian troops on the ground, that is why there is no resistance now and why they never will be any. Spin it anyway you want, that fact isn't going to change.

The US lost 'casue Americans could always go home but the vietnamese had nowhere else to go if they lost. Same with Iraq and Afghanistan. .
The the US should go home, like about 10 years ago.

Wer did kind of win there but consider the investment we had to put into it. .
Is that the same as 'we lost'?

Same here between Russia and Ukraine. the Russians can pack up and leave, the Ukrainians have no where else to go so they'll just fight.
The ones in Crimea aren't fighting, you keep ignoring that point so you are quite stupid, yes?
 

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And perhaps Putin wants a major say in the Ukraine and substantial autonomy for Russian dominated Areas.Then he has a perpetual lease on the Naval bases in the Crimea. Having then split the authority of the central govt, Putin then agrees,withdraws troops,and has a major say in the Ukraine.Then we have Putin the Peacemaker & Statesman. And regaled by the idiots
 
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By the way, Russia hasn't yet invaded Ukraine.

The Crimea, the peninsula jutting out into the Black Sea from the rest of Ukraine, only became part of Ukraine in 1954. Before that it was part of Russia. But most Crimeans - around 58% - are ethnic Russians and align themselves more with Russia than Ukraine; Crimea is semi-autonomous from the rest of Ukraine and has its own prime minister; there is, coincidentally, going to be a referendum in Crimea soon for even more autonomy; and, under a 2010 deal, Russia is allowed to keep warships, sailors and warplanes - 25,000 sailors, 388 warships and 161 aircraft - in the Crimea.

So Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine. It aready had thousands of troops and lots of warships there already, in the Crimea.

Russia (if you count is as part of Europe) and Ukraine are the two biggest countries in Europe. Ukraine is just a tad smaller than Texas; or 2.5 times bigger than Britain.











 
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http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/

Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate, has reportedly refused to follow orders from Kiev, and come over to Russia’s side and is returning home after taking part in NATO operation in the Gulf of Aden flying the Russian naval flag.
There has been conflicting information on where exactly the vessel is, but a Russian senator has confirmed to Izvestia daily that the frigate defected to the Russian side.
Ukraine’s Navy flagship the Hetman Sahaidachny has come over to our side today. It has hung out the St Andrew’s flag,” Senator Igor Morozov, a member of the committee on the international affairs, told Izvestia daily.
He said the flagship is on its way back to the Black Sea after drills in the Mediterranean. “The crew has fulfilled the order by the chief commander of Ukraine’s armed forces Viktor Yanukovich,” he added.
The move comes after the Navy command resigned Friday. Self-appointed President Aleksandr Turchinov made Rear Admiral Denis Berezovsky the new Navy Chief, a statement published on the President’s website Saturday said.



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The Ukrainian military serving in Crimea-deployed units are joining the local self-defence forces, the ITAR-TASS correspondent reports from Crimea. Many servicemen disagree with Kiev's policy, leave their units and tender their resignations. Some units have said they will be taking orders only from the command of Crimea's self-defence forces, the eyewitness says.



Apparently there is no military left to oppose Russia in Crimea.

That is not the major issue now is it. Russia does not want the EU/Nato on their doorstep?
They already are. look at Poland. It doesn't seem to have done NATO much good, now or in the future.