Obama is canceling the meeting rather than Putin doing it. Putin probably said we're sending in everything but tanks. Then the US headline has the US demanding they not send in any tanks, .. or else, ...... you'll pay, ...... and pay big, ......
Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
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I'm not sure Putin is bluffing.
The West isn't use to an opponent that says something and then does just that. The rest of the territory should show that they get more organized because they are under 'a more just rule' because NATO is pulling the strings for the IMF
The West isn't use to an opponent that says something and then does just that. The rest of the territory should show that they get more organized because they are under 'a more just rule' because NATO is pulling the strings for the IMF
Russia has bases in Crimea. Would Uncle Sam stand around with his finger up his butt if Gitmo was threatened?
Nope- Just that NATO will not go to war over this.
The US- EU- Countries that signed the guarantees for Ukraine's borders will not go to war.
So if people were thinking they should, why not post that opinion.
Vice going on about how weak the Bamster is- Or how agile Putin is.
The EU fuked this up a long time ago.
They can show up Putin and Russia by making the sectors they control (after the May elections) much nicer and safer and more productive that Crimea. 2 months and then the voters will decide which side is doing the better job. NATO has to offer the people something more than a few Patriot Systems
Kennedy wasn't bluffing. Khrushchev was. That's how the game is played with home ice advantage.
That only sets the stage, what happens on the ground in the next few months. If Crimea sets an example that voters in other areas see as being something they would like then they would vote for whoever would get them the. NATO can't afford to wine and dine them if that is different from how they run all the other places they control. Then you really will have a divided country.
How would that play out in an North American revolt?
Goes all the way to Panama.
I'm thinking not. If they could they wouldn't be scrambling to control Syria and the Ukraine.
As we speak there are no "Russian citizens " at risk in Ukraine. That is a fabrication by the one who controls the Russian media. Talking with friends in Russia who listen to their news it seems there is a total different story about what is happening ....imagine that. In Crimea as we speak the muslim population is being rounded up as part of the Russian solution to controlling the terrorist problem in Crimea region, sound familiar .
Russia will do as they did in Georgia , for you know how much of a threat the huge Georgian armed forces were to Russia as the Ukrainian people are to Russian sovereignty in the country of Ukraine .
I see lots of nice pretty numbers and words which are way out there but in a free country you are allowed to do that but I will point out if you lived in Russia or a neighbouring country to Russia you would be considered a threat and dealt with.
Consider what it would be like to live there and if that is how you would like people to live who only want what we have.
And MHz you keep pushing the lie of a fair election of Yanukonvict and putin and I will say again if you like and admire them so much ...go there to live I am sure between most of us here we can get the money for a one way ticket for you.
Russia will do as they did in Georgia , for you know how much of a threat the huge Georgian armed forces were to Russia as the Ukrainian people are to Russian sovereignty in the country of Ukraine .
I see lots of nice pretty numbers and words which are way out there but in a free country you are allowed to do that but I will point out if you lived in Russia or a neighbouring country to Russia you would be considered a threat and dealt with.
Consider what it would be like to live there and if that is how you would like people to live who only want what we have.
And MHz you keep pushing the lie of a fair election of Yanukonvict and putin and I will say again if you like and admire them so much ...go there to live I am sure between most of us here we can get the money for a one way ticket for you.
I believe the term was 'Russian speaking people' which would make them Ukraine citizens as there are no dual passport holders and if their were perhaps they should be dealth with first and they can go to the country of choice and stay there. That sound fair?
I'm quite sure that is where all this came from, your imigination. Enlighten us by providing the 'text for those talks as well as the other text that you seem to be stalling as far as posting to show you aren't blowing smoke at me. If the West is your choice then you obviously support lying, with some people they take it to the extreme.
OBL's old gang? This should be good, after all if seeing a round-up for what it is would be something the west should recognize given what they have been doing for the last 20 years. That is how you are supposed to look at people that are not 'family', it is their conduct today and not what it was 50 years ago. You even mock Russia for their quality of life during the time of the cold war, not every country makes a profit from playing war 24/7. If not for war related things the US economy would be in worse condition than it already is.
With Crimea there will be a separation referendum, something similar to what Quebec did before. They will be a part of Russia before the May elections and that choice will have to be on the ballot for the rest of the citizens of the Ukraine if/when they get to hold the same kind of referendum. What do you do if more areas of the nation decide they want Russia as their protector rather than NATO?
Do you understand any of them? That is the important thing about numbers. Is that the free country you are demanding I leave for using such a tactic in support of my position.
Electricity and broadband? I'm sure dash cams will become popular in Crimea. If there are to be cameras everywhere to capture the action (like meteors and political revolutions) then in moving vehicles seem to be a better place than on a lamp-post and in the UK.
You don't think they were free and fair? No linky you stinky.
Would that be an e-transfer? You'll appreciate it more if you cough it all up by yourself, the pats you get on the back later will only make victory that much sweeter. Too bad they don't have computers in Crimea or Russia. Travel to 'the rest' f the former Ukraine would seem to be an expensive undertaking now that the US and EU have put their loans on hold until they get their demands met which means directing where the money goes. $5B off the top to pay the US back for the money they spend bringing about this great day for them that live there.
IMF's Lagarde: No Need to Panic over Ukraine Economy — Naharnet
International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde urged calm over Ukraine's economic situation on Friday after the country asked for at least $15 billion in financial aid.
"We do not see anything that is critical, that is worthy of panic at the moment," Lagarde said after talks in Washington on Ukraine with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.
Lagarde criticized the various numbers mentioned for the size of the country's immediate financing requirements, stressing the need to "rely on facts" and wait until the situation is "assessed properly".
"It is highly premature to assess financial needs," she said.
The comments came as U.S. and European officials discussed how to strengthen Ukraine's teetering economy in the wake of the uprising that overthrew Russian-backed president Viktor Yanukovych.
The revolt led to Moscow canceling a much-needed $15 billion loan to the country after only $3 billion had been disbursed, leaving the government with very little cash in its coffers and dwindling foreign exchange reserves.
"The European and the U.S. are very reluctant to bankroll any Ukraine government, given their past record."
Steinmeier, the German foreign minister, said in Washington that any support should have a wide base of contributors.
"The stabilization of Ukraine can only be successful if we get as many partners as possible on the table," he said, urging Moscow to join the effort.
Shlapak said the new authorities in Kiev will seek to persuade Moscow to restore their promised financial support.
"We will try to do this as soon as possible - perhaps even next week," he said, according to the Interfax-Ukraine news agency.
Mitov described a dire situation in the Ukraine economy in which banks, already extremely weak, have seen runs on deposits, the government has missed pension and salary payments, and factories in some areas have halted production due to a lack of orders.
The central bank has effectively been printing money to finance the government, exacerbating the sharp fall in the Ukraine currency, the hryvnia.
The hryvnia hit a record low on Thursday of 11.31 to the dollar, but rebounded Friday to 9.18 per dollar after the central bank acted to calm markets by placing controls on bank withdrawals.
Withdrawals were capped at 15,000 hryvnia per day.
Lagarde said an IMF team would head to Ukraine early next week to assess the situation and discuss the policies that the country would have to follow to qualify for a support program.
Canada Threatens to Withdraw from G8 Summit in Russia — Naharnet
Better hurry with that money, Harper may put a hold on travel to there
U.S. Says Russia Ready to Help Ukraine Economy, Yanukovych Lost All Legitimacy — Naharnet
"We do not want to get caught up in the historical, or the more current tensions over associations' agreements or NATO or other kinds of things," he urged, in a side swipe at Moscow which has sought to stop the former Soviet satellite moving closer to the European Union.
"There's a place for that down the road, if Ukrainians want to have that debate. But we do not believe that should be part of what is happening now."
The top U.S. diplomat revealed earlier this week that Washington is preparing to offer Kiev a $1 billion loan guarantee, and an as yet undecided amount of direct aid. The EU is also mulling a similar loan guarantee.
Ukraine owes $13 billion in state debt payments this year -- a massive sum in a country where state reserves have shrunk to less than $18 billion.
And Kiev has suffered from Russia's decision to freeze a $15 billion dollar bailout package after a first $3 billion tranche was used up.
Later on Friday, the U.S. declared that in fleeing his country, ousted president Yanukovych has lost any claim on power.
"We believe that Yanukovych has lost legitimacy as he abdicated his responsibilities. He left Ukraine," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters.
Like elections before the loan debt has been signed?
Bribes and guns??
So that is all that has to happen to end the rule of a US crony as well? With Harri's son ditching to Saudi after he lost his post in Lebanon, does that mean he should keep his trap shut now?
The crash hasn't happened yet. In that community gardens are frowned on currently I'm thinking any speed bump is going to be worse that it has to be. We might be asking Russia to send in a peace keeping force, to no avail. We should be coming up with ways to keep things working in a disaster instead og only predicting how bad it will be if TPTB ever stopped taking care of us. If they are 'keeping us down' we would seem to have the capability to do a better job if they were removed rather than we go back to stone age mentality.
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MHz you are right the USA is invading Ukraine from the Russian side disguised as Russian troops and managed to take over all of Russia to do this. They are holding Putin as hostage being that he wanted peace and would not invade Ukraine , those poor peace loving Russians who have helped the world in many instances over the years through many disasters.
NOW BACK TO REALITYcongratulations MHz...your an idiot
If Russia invades Ukraine, it'll be like us invading Afghanistan. Russia could expect to have to tough it out for years before finally giving up, and in the end Ukraine will turn even more pro-EU. What is Russia thinking? All Russia will have to show for it is massive debt, dead soldiers, and and a ruined international reputation that would take years to rebuild.