Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

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Likely be settled by a couple of mouthbreathing hoodie-wearing twentysomethings at a no-limit texas hold 'em final table.

Just send some of Moss Side's finest to the Crimea. That'll finish it.

Personally, however, I think this conflict will, by the end of the year, escalate into WWIII, involving millions of drafted troops, sailors and airmen from all the world's major powers, nuclear weapons, and the deaths of hundreds of millions of people across Europe with vast swathes of the continent, particularly in the east, left uninhabitable for the next 25,000 years.

Still, never mind. The Cube is on later, and then Match of the Day.
 

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Interesting, Russia claims to be a modern democracy yet when someone else
wants democracy they invade them. The west should open their eyes to those
on this planet who spout off about being democratic. Its a case of democracy
as long as its convenient.
Russian is not a democracy, China is not a democracy, the Arab countries even
those who hold elections are not democracies yet we continue to pretend all is
well. Someday the truth will land on our doorstep and we'll be forced to go to war
like WWII. We are building these people up and someday we will pay the price
the blood of our grand children.

Can one say America is not a democracy?
 

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Israel's Role In Ukraine​
By Alois Philby
26 February, 2014
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In the events that have unfolded in Ukraine during the past weeks, the role of Israel is by far the most interesting. As far as the Americans and the European Union are concerned, it is a question of pursuing old-fashioned power politics vis-à-vis Russia with a view to minimising the latter's influence in Europe. The role of Israel, on the other hand, can be adequately appraised only by taking into account the financial interests of the following individuals, whose plight was reported by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz on 2 July 2013:​
"In the past decade, wealthy businessmen from the former Soviet Union have flocked to Israel in private planes via the Moscow-Tel Aviv route. Once here, they buy mansions in wealthy communities and get around in luxury cars. Most of them have come to Israel to escape the grasp of Russian President Vladimir Putin. They live below the radar, zealously guarding their privacy and hiding their assets and Israeli citizenship. [...] Many of them fear that if their IsraeliPress TV was one of the few news outlets to report on the Israeli involvement in the riots in Ukraine:​
"A former Israeli army officer is playing a leading role in the anti-government protests in Ukraine [...]. [This] unnamed Israeli was commanding a group of 20 Ukrainian militants while four other Israelis, who had also previously served in the army, were said to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine's capital of Kiev. They were born in Ukraine but migrated to Israel and joined its armed forces before returning [to Ukraine] for the demonstrations [...]"​
The Press TV report went on to state​
"that an Israeli tycoon provided financial support to the opposition in Ukraine [...]"​
On 16 December 2013 Jerusalem Post reported that​
"some young Jews working for international organizations such as JDC, Hillel and Limmud have taken to the barricades [in Ukraine, and they were] 'really active' in offering support as well as 'organizing the barricades'."​
One may well be tempted to view these young Jews as useful idiots, but it is far more plausible that they were in fact provocateurs with a political agenda of their own. Ukraine is not just a safe haven for oligarchs
 

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"Delivering a blunt warning to Moscow, President Barack Obama expressed deep concern Friday over reported military activity inside Ukraine by Russia and warned "there will be costs" for any intervention." -- AP
Costs like those involved with defense of their naval facilities? The aid given to Crimea after being asked might be different as that is a policing action. Russian troops taking over from the masked and armed unidentified gunmen currently in charge of important places. That should be able to be billed to the UN eventually once the ones that caused instability have been identified and exposed.

How do you spot a spy (terrorist) in Crimea? The front of their pants are wet.
 

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All 20 of them?
Are you hinting that 20 Ukrainians can't form a cohesive group or that 20 people is way and above what an IDF commander can handle? Either way it seems a bit racist so maybe you hard-on for Russia is just a symptom of a completely diseased mind instead. (rather than the conclusion of a sane mind) Just sayin ...
 

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President Obama expressed deep concern. Wow, I'm relieved, the manthing is concerned.
And the responce will be left to the next President.

Personally, however, I think this conflict will, by the end of the year, escalate into WWIII, involving millions of drafted troops, sailors and airmen from all the world's major powers, nuclear weapons, and the deaths of hundreds of millions of people across Europe with vast swathes of the continent, particularly in the east, left uninhabitable for the next 25,000 years.
Your post pretty much eliminates any doubt about you being a troll and nothing but a troll. That's okay because the stuff you post should be taken with a grain of salt and just the opposite of what you say would also apply, such as in your post. True NATO could make the place a wasteland so it could be true but when a (known) troll posts it the message means you won't try and protect Crimea because you would be turned into a wasteland just as you describe. If Russian troops are in there to 'stabilize the area' then why are there no NATO troops in the rest of the Nation to do the same or is that considered to be stable at this very moment?

Or NATO and friends will do nothing, just like they are doing now. People will catch on that they are a Media Army rather than being able to just up and do something when action is called for.

Notice when help is asked for it doesn't even have to wait for the deadline date. ( May 25 in this case but Syrian chemical weapons is another example, the US gave them 6 months, it took them a week to list it all and the delay is in getting the material out of port rather than to the port which means the ship has to be there so it isn't left in an un-secure stockpile) The big danger is the ease with which Russia took over that section of the Ukraine (using existing treaties so it is a lawful move, just like Syris could ask for help in the same way. Once Martial Law is declared certain steps have to be done before it is ended. Voting in a new Government and making changes to the old constitution would seem to be logical steps. How did Egypt do it once the army had control? It shouldn't be much different and hopefully the new leader will not be in jail quite so fast.

Crimea Brings forward Referendum on Region's Status to March 30 — Naharnet
(in part)
A referendum to determine whether residents in Ukraine's flashpoint peninsula of Crimea want greater autonomy has been pushed forward to March 30, the spokeswoman of the region's newly-chosen prime minister Sergiy Aksyonov said Saturday.
The vote had originally been planned for May 25, on the same day as presidential elections set by parliament following the ouster of the pro-Moscow President Viktor Yanukovych.
Meanwhile, Russia's lower house of parliament asked President Vladimir Putin to take measures to stabilize the situation in the Ukrainian region of Crimea and use "all possibilities" to protect the local population, its speaker said.
"The Council of the State Duma, in the name of the MPs of the State Duma, has asked the president to take measures to stabilize the situation in Crimea and use all available possibilities to protect the population of Crimea from lawlessness and violence," speaker Sergei Naryshkin said in a statement read on state television.


You have to admit the Russian version of deporting unwanted has a unique slant to it, give the (arrested security personnel) Russian passports and the 'ship them home' for debriefing, in video statements, about their activities over the last 3 years.
 

darkbeaver

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And the responce will be left to the next President.

The next President of what though? There has to be conflict symmetry in the planned economic collapse. Conflict there conflict here and the bad guys escape through the middle. Always the same.

The referendum will be post conflict. Something this important can't be left to voting peasants hopped up on vodka can it?
 

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It's a revolution in Ukraine with no Ukraine leadership. Looks like a proxy war for the monied.
You're right. Being occupied, Religion, language culture butchered,disarmed and enslaved for 113 f-cking years never pissed Ukrainian citizens off enough to loot the snot out of the Soviet arms stockpile to never let the Muscovites try to do what they are trying today has nothing to do with it.

It's all banks who want the vast vast riches of farmland and sub boreal forest.

Think of them as the Palestinians of E. Europa and it might dawn on you what this is really about.

It may have taken 22 years for the gloves to come off but they are off.
 

darkbeaver

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You're right. Being occupied, Religion, language culture butchered,disarmed and enslaved for 113 f-cking years never pissed Ukrainian citizens off enough to loot the snot out of the Soviet arms stockpile to never let the Muscovites try to do what they are trying today has nothing to do with it.

It's all banks who want the vast vast riches of farmland and sub boreal forest.

Think of them as the Palestinians of E. Europa and it might dawn on you what this is really about.

It may have taken 22 years for the gloves to come off but they are off.

Show me the Ukrainian messiah, show me the indigenous revolution, show me a way out of war for your relatives.
 

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Russia just gave the West the bulk of the Ukraine, and you want to send in weapons??

Russia didn't "give" fukk all to nobody. What they did is steal a large chunk of the Ukraine because lefty western European governments don't have the balls to stand up to them.

War could be stopped if we would suppress the Swiss.

Just have the war on weekends when their army is off.
 

darkbeaver

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Russia didn't "give" fukk all to nobody. What they did is steal a large chunk of the Ukraine because lefty western European governments don't have the balls to stand up to them.



Just have the war on weekends when their army is off.
Every house has assault rifles, like Israel.

Wait until spring. Ever the Ukrainian beavers are still gnawing on last summer's poplar twigs.

In the west you won't know about spring till may, at least. You'll be plowing frozen sods if it don't warm up a bit eh.
 

petros

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Russia didn't "give" fukk all to nobody. What they did is steal a large chunk of the Ukraine because lefty western European governments don't have the balls to stand up to them.
Germany still has a score to settle with Russia. Righty Tighty and Lefty Lucy have nothing to do with this.