Which is why they are soul mates. YJ did say he respected what Joey had to say until recently.
Quit picking on Obama……
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Which is why they are soul mates. YJ did say he respected what Joey had to say until recently.
That is only your opinion, EagleSmack, I don’t see anything racist in anything I have said. And I would hardly regard a conservative as the ultimate authority on racism. Not when more than 90% of blacks avoid conservatism, they vote against conservative candidates.
You think most liberals are racist, so presumably people like Obama. Clinton, Carter, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy etc. are racist. I am proud to be in their company.
You think most conservatives are a paragon of virtue, not a racist bone in them. So presumably people like Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Dr. Dobson (Focus on the Family), Pat Robertson, Joan of Arc, they are not racist. I would shudder to be in their company.
Let me give you an analogous example. Suppose Rev. Fred Phelps (I assume you have heard of him, he is a conservative) were to tell me that I am a homophobe, that I hate gays. I would be honoured. The good Reverend exudes hatred for gays from every pore of his body, he routinely prays to his God for early death to homosexuals. If he says that my views on homosexuality are wrong, that tells me that they are just right.
Similarly, when a conservative like you (whose philosophy blacks avoid like they would avoid Black Plague) tells me that I am a racist, that tells me that my views on race are just right.
In fact, if you didn’t call me a racist I would be worried, I would reexamine my views on race (why is a conservative saying that I am not a racist, why is he saying that my views are similar to those of Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh, where are my views wrong?)
Just as I would wear it as a badge of honour if Rev. Phelps were to call me a homophobe, I wear it as a badge of honour when a conservative (someone who philosophy is shunned almost universally by blacks) calls me a racist.
And you still haven’t answered the perennial question. If liberals are racist and more than 90% blacks vote for liberals, what does it make blacks? The clear implication is that they are stupid, but you are too chicken to say so, you keep implying it.
Anyway, I think we are going over the same ground again and again, so let us drop it. We are done with the discussion (at least I am done). Feel free to have the last word, be my guest.
You think most liberals are racist, so presumably people like Obama. Clinton, Carter, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy etc. are racist. I am proud to be in their company.
You think most conservatives are a paragon of virtue, not a racist bone in them. So presumably people like Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Dr. Dobson (Focus on the Family), Pat Robertson, Joan of Arc, they are not racist. I would shudder to be in their company.
Let me give you an analogous example. Suppose Rev. Fred Phelps (I assume you have heard of him, he is a conservative) were to tell me that I am a homophobe, that I hate gays. I would be honoured. The good Reverend exudes hatred for gays from every pore of his body, he routinely prays to his God for early death to homosexuals. If he says that my views on homosexuality are wrong, that tells me that they are just right.
Similarly, when a conservative like you (whose philosophy blacks avoid like they would avoid Black Plague) tells me that I am a racist, that tells me that my views on race are just right.
In fact, if you didn’t call me a racist I would be worried, I would reexamine my views on race (why is a conservative saying that I am not a racist, why is he saying that my views are similar to those of Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh, where are my views wrong?)
Just as I would wear it as a badge of honour if Rev. Phelps were to call me a homophobe, I wear it as a badge of honour when a conservative (someone who philosophy is shunned almost universally by blacks) calls me a racist.
And you still haven’t answered the perennial question. If liberals are racist and more than 90% blacks vote for liberals, what does it make blacks? The clear implication is that they are stupid, but you are too chicken to say so, you keep implying it.
Anyway, I think we are going over the same ground again and again, so let us drop it. We are done with the discussion (at least I am done). Feel free to have the last word, be my guest.
To be more accurate SJP. there not druggies, but part of the religious right. Small vocal segment part.
'' There is a Southern Baptist Church in Tempe Arizona that was lead by Pastor Steven Anderson, and the graphic showed this Pastor, with the words, '''I'''m gonna pray he (Obama) dies and goes to hell.''' '' Obviously this got my attention. '' This took place the day before President Barack Obama was in Arizona for a healthcare town hall meeting. '' The reason that this Pastor was saying such a thing was because of President'''s Pro-Choice view on abortion."
I'm sure you don't. Archie Bunker didn't see anything racist in the nonsense he spewed either. Bunker was intended to be funny. What's your excuse?
PRINCETON, NJ -- In a recent Gallup survey, 89% of Republicans, 64% of independents, and 61% of Americans overall say Americans themselves -- rather than the government -- have the primary responsibility for ensuring that they have health insurance. Six in 10 Democrats say the government should be primarily responsible.
Many in U.S. See Health Insurance as Personal Responsibility
Many in U.S. See Health Insurance as Personal Responsibility
Polls are all over the map, ironsides, one can read what one wants into them. Just today I saw a poll on CNN, which showed that 75% of Americans support a public option in health care reform bill. This seems to run in direct contradiction to your poll.
Poll: Public Option in Health Care Backed by American Majority
I don’t know if CNN quoted this poll or had their own, but Americans do support public option. So polls are all over the place, maybe it is the way the question is asked.
Ironsides, I figured out your poll. It asked the respondents who has the primary responsibility, it didn’t ask if they support a public option. The fact that people think that primary responsibility lies with them does not necessarily mean that they are opposed to a role for the government (public option).
CNN has always run in direct contradiction with public opinion. (What News media want to here) I find the Gallup Poll a lot more centralist with just about all their polls. Very neutral. There are poll all over the place, so you have to use the best and Gallup has always been there.
What are you trying to do, split hairs. The question asked was who should have primary responsibility for ensuring that they have health insurance. "Americans themselves -- rather than the government -- have the primary responsibility for ensuring that they have health insurance. Six in 10 Democrats say the government should be primarily responsible."
It just shows that Democrats want more goverment say in what should be private individual decisions. In other words "BIG BROTHER" atmosphere that a lot of countries have opted for, which is breaking the financial backs of their people.
What it does say is that they want government out of medical decisions.
I always get suspicious whenever an issue reaches this level of hysteria. Number one, the US has Big Brother with the Patriot Act. What freedom you have is an illusion. The real issue about universal health care is to protect your citizens from the gouging pharmaceutical companies that have been ripping you off for a century. The issue is not personal choice and responsibility. That is a smoke screen to cover that big pharma is spending billions to convince people that the real issue is not about them having the right to continue to rip you off.
But hey! If you guys would rather be ripped off, go right ahead and be hysterical.
But hey! If you guys would rather be ripped off, go right ahead and be hysterical.
Phelps is hardly conservative. This is the same guy that says...
"THANK GOD FOR I.E.D's"
"DEATH TO US SOLDIERS"
"GOD HATES THE US"
Sounds more like Code PINK and liberals.
Yes, you are a racist.. and a bigot. You have been called on it before by many in here.
Oh... too funny you comparing yourself with Clinton and Kennedy and the others. What a high opinion you have of yourself.
What's the opposite of guilt by association? It must be innocence by association.
Someone who talks of "blacks" as if they are "those people" as Jokey seems to, probably walls like a duck, sounds like a duck .....
"I am not racist because I am liberal and blacks vote liberal". lmao
Anyway, as far as I can see, any politician is fair game including the Big O.
Iran doesn't "pose a serous threat to us". The next day: "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave." Can we say "flipflop"?
Here's list:
100 DAYS, 100 MISTAKES FOR BARACK OBAMA
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Sorry for repeating this, but what did you say BIG BROTHER was protecting us from? I would like to see the Patriot Act vanish, and Obama along with the Democratic majority could make that happen, but I don't think we will ever see it go away. This was a multi-party take over of the government. Why is it we keep looking to Federal Government for ways to fix things. Just look what they have done up to now.
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 - They have had 234 years to get it right; it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935 - They have had 74 years to get it right; it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - They have had 71 years to get it right; it is broke..
War on Poverty started in 1964 - They have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - They have had 44 years to get it right; they're broke
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - They have had 39 years to get it right; it is broke
Trillions of dollars in the massive political payoff called the TARP bill of 2009 shows NO sign of working at the level that was promised. Big business have taken their share and still the layoffs come. Again why?
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BELIEVE IT OR NOT --
THESE CARTOONS ARE FROM OUR FRIENDS
"DOWN UNDER".
WHY DO WE NEVER SEE SIMILAR IN USA PAPERS??
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I think CNN polls tend to be very accurate and objective, ironsides. In the last election, not only CNN predicted the correct margin of victory for Obama (7%), but they also predicted correctly the margin for victory in all the battleground states (Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Missouri, Indiana etc.).
If CNN has a poll showing that majority of Americans support public option, I have no problem believing that. Not that public option will become a reality; the Senate committee just defeated the public option.
It is not a question of splitting hair, ironsides. That is the problem with polls; the answer very much depends upon the question asked. If is not at all contradictory for people to believe that people should have a primary responsibility for health care and also to believe that there should be a public option.
Indeed, that is why one should be careful about the polls, and not read too much into it. The answer very much depends upon what question is asked, and how it is asked.
Any one starting to get bored with this endless back and forth battle between the American left and the right?seems every one has expressed their opinion,no one is changing their political stance and all the arguements are becoming rhetorical,I cant believe people are going to continue with the same enthusiasm or passion of their views for the next 4 to 8 years going on and on about what they percieve to be inadequacies in either the Presidents or the other parties policies. On most of the other forums i participate in i have stopped going to the political sections as they seem to just be rehashing the same old stuff over and over.
Maybe its just me getting older;-)
Maybe its just me getting older;-)