Poll:- life better now or in 1959?

AnnaG

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Incidentally courntyboy, the states with death penalty had a murder rate of 5, 83 in 2007, according to the link I provided. By comparison, in Canada (which has no death penalty), most jurisdictions have murder rate between 1 and 2 (I think that represents per 100,000).

So much for your deterrence of death penalty.
That just says that those states without the death penalty may have a low offense rate in comparison to the ones with the death penalty.
 

Mowich

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He wouldn't have the guts to anyhow....

I can remember driving down the highway on a warm summer's day back when I was a teenager. It was almost dusk, the time when the bugs love to hover over highways on the prairies. My boyfriend was driving and I was just kicking back enjoying the ride and the company. All of a sudden a grasshopper hit the windshield. Without missing a beat, my boyfriend said - "he won't have the guts to do that again." I laughed so hard I had to ask him to pull over so I could run into the ditch for a quick loosening of my bladder. To this day when a bug hits my windshield, I remember that night.
 

lone wolf

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I can remember driving down the highway on a warm summer's day back when I was a teenager. It was almost dusk, the time when the bugs love to hover over highways on the prairies. My boyfriend was driving and I was just kicking back enjoying the ride and the company. All of a sudden a grasshopper hit the windshield. Without missing a beat, my boyfriend said - "he won't have the guts to do that again." I laughed so hard I had to ask him to pull over so I could run into the ditch for a quick loosening of my bladder. To this day when a bug hits my windshield, I remember that night.

8O Gosh, I hope I didn't worry your bladder ;-)
 

JLM

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No you didn’t, I said that, you simply ducked the issue. But let me ask you straight out. If you think that appeal for death penalty should be over in 7 days, do you think that appeals to all other less severe crimes (robbery, rape, theft etc.) also should be dealt with in seven days?

If not, then what I said applies. If you think that all appeals should be dealt with in seven days, you are talking of billions of dollars worth of new expenditure on court buildings, judges, public prosecutor, defense attorneys etc.

So, which is it?

OK, let's say 60 days for everything, I'm willing to concede 7 days isn't very practical but still much more practical than 20 years.
 

SirJosephPorter

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OK, let's say 60 days for everything, I'm willing to concede 7 days isn't very practical but still much more practical than 20 years.

Well then, you are talking of a huge outlay of expenditure, perhaps amounting to billions of dollars. Currently, I think an appeal may last anywhere between one and two years here in Canada, probably similar in USA.

You evidently want to expedite the process many times over. Where are you going to get the money, in these days of budget crunch and huge deficits? Now personally, I think it would be a great idea if all the appeals were decided in 60 days; justice should be quick and swift. But I don’t think it is practical.
 

JLM

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Well then, you are talking of a huge outlay of expenditure, perhaps amounting to billions of dollars. Currently, I think an appeal may last anywhere between one and two years here in Canada, probably similar in USA.

You evidently want to expedite the process many times over. Where are you going to get the money, in these days of budget crunch and huge deficits? Now personally, I think it would be a great idea if all the appeals were decided in 60 days; justice should be quick and swift. But I don’t think it is practical.

I think a major cash outlay now may save more than the initial outlay in the long run. One other problem I see just from casual contact with the system is a lot of people who frequent the court system are masters at causing delay, things like they forgot their court date, next time they are sick, next time they decide to change lawyers and on and on it goes for simple matters like a theft or simple assault. Of course nothing can be done due to the illustrious Charter. I think they should spend whatever it takes to get delays reduced to 60 days and then keep it to 60 days by doing whatever it takes, even if that at times means enacting measures that trump the Charter. For one thing a Charter, established in the 70s (even if it was EVER any good) needs to be reviewed every ten years or so. Actually I htink I'd be inclined to give it it's LAST review.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I think a major cash outlay now may save more than the initial outlay in the long run. One other problem I see just from casual contact with the system is a lot of people who frequent the court system are masters at causing delay, things like they forgot their court date, next time they are sick, next time they decide to change lawyers and on and on it goes for simple matters like a theft or simple assault. Of course nothing can be done due to the illustrious Charter. I think they should spend whatever it takes to get delays reduced to 60 days and then keep it to 60 days by doing whatever it takes, even if that at times means enacting measures that trump the Charter. For one thing a Charter, established in the 70s (even if it was EVER any good) needs to be reviewed every ten years or so. Actually I htink I'd be inclined to give it it's LAST review.

Sorry, that is where we disagree. The Charter is sacrosanct, it is very difficult to amend the Charter and rightly so. I am willing to live by Charter decisions I don’t agree with, rather than amend the Charter.

So no way Charter is going to be ignored or amended (unless a serious flaw is exposed in the Charter, it has been working very well so far). If you want to do something that is against the Charter, that will require amending the Charter, that is a non starter right there.
 

AnnaG

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It's lots better now that kids can't walk around by themselves nowadays. Back in the early 70s I was walking home by myself from kidergarden. It was awful. I had no protection. It's kind of besides the point that I didn't need protection, though.
People used to leave there keys in their vehicles, homes unlocked, and neighbors actually looked out for weird things happening when you weren't home. No razor blades in candied apples at Halloween. People made bread at home.
 

JLM

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It's lots better now that kids can't walk around by themselves nowadays. Back in the early 70s I was walking home by myself from kidergarden. It was awful. I had no protection. It's kind of besides the point that I didn't need protection, though.
People used to leave there keys in their vehicles, homes unlocked, and neighbors actually looked out for weird things happening when you weren't home. No razor blades in candied apples at Halloween. People made bread at home.

I think you are onto something Anna. I guess if someone is really interested in knowing the truth, they could make a couple of simple comparisons- suicide rate and bankrupcy rate, while they are probably not conclusive, they are probably close enough for the average person, being that statistics are infallable so we've been told.
 

countryboy

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I think you are onto something Anna. I guess if someone is really interested in knowing the truth, they could make a couple of simple comparisons- suicide rate and bankrupcy rate, while they are probably not conclusive, they are probably close enough for the average person, being that statistics are infallable so we've been told.

Statistics are important? Yes, I vaguely recall someone hinting at that somewhere along the way... :cool:
 

Downhome_Woman

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I'm 53. When I went out on Hallowe'en there were rumours of razor blades in the apple s but they were just that - rumours. Flash forward to when my kids were younger and we had the internet. All of a sudden things were more dangerous. We heard of things from not just our neighbourhoods but from all over the world. did it mean that those things were happening where we were? No. I often wonder if life is more dangerous, or is it that we're just hearing from all the world - and attributing it to our specific word?
It drove me nuts with parents creating 'walking buses', in order to walk kids a couple of blocks to school - all based on a situation that happened half a word away.
Teach your children sense. Don't get into vehicles of people they don't know - give them a safe word! Rather than teach them fear, teach them how to react.
when I was growing up, kids were molested, women were raped, but no one said or did anything. Now they do. Does that make it a more dangerous time? No, it just makes it a more informed time.