Poll:- life better now or in 1959?

countryboy

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There's another reason why idle chatter is better now than the useful things back then, reading to your kid and having them read to you. Who needs that:?: :angryfire:

Aw c'mon now...you're just baiting me, aren't you? Reading? What's that? You'd have to get 2 computer screens together to make that work one for you and one for the kid. :p:-?

After all, paper is kind of an old-fashioned concept and besides, turning pages could be interpreted by some as being a form of child abuse. And what are you gonna do when a book actually falls on a child?!? It could happen, you know. :-? Then you're really in for it...visits from the authorities, reports to fill out, all kinds of grief because you were...once again...actually causing harm to your child through the careless use of a dangerous object (a book).

Nope, I don't think so, AnnaG. You're just looking for trouble with all that outdated, dangerous thinking. For Gawd's sake, please, please get with it, join with modern society, and QUIT that awful habit (thinking)... :canada:
 

SirJosephPorter

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Countryboy, I can see paper going out of fashion eventually. People do more and more of the reading on the internet these days, that is one of the reasons why so many newspapers are in trouble.

Anything that is put on paper can be put on the internet much more cheaply and in a much more convenient manner. While reading will continue, eventually witting by hand will become a lost art, will simply remain a curiosity.

Already people have lost the art of doing calculations in their head. When I went to the university, we did not have any calculators, we used slide rules. But slide rule doesn’t do additions and subtractions we had to do that manually. Even today I do them without the help of the calculator. But since calculators are readily available, it has become a lost art.

For instance, I wonder how many can divide say, 10,457 by 239 by hand, without the help of a calculator. I don’t know if they even teach that in schools these days, calculators are so readily available.

I expect hand writing will go the same way. That is progress.
 

talloola

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We bought one of the 'first' campers every manufactured in l962, andhad more fun with our kids than I can possibly describe. my husbandworked steady graveyard, kids were still pre school, and every Fridaymorning, he would come home we would load up and be gone for theweek end, I would drive, he would sleep, and in no time we were whereverwe had decided to go that particular week end, all set up, fishing rods,boat, kids, playpen, blankets, food, toys, and lots of energy.Great memories.Lots of jobs for everyone, good economy, lots of energy in the country,I finally got an automatic washer, very exciting indeed. I remember thefirst television ever made in our area, around l953/54 can't remember,but we used to watch it in the window of the local radio store,(he built it himself) and was so excited and wideeyed at the marvelous invention.Those were good times, Elvis was at his best, and all the other rockbands which followed, lots of concerts. I went to see Elvis in l957,used my little opera glasses to see him close up.
 

countryboy

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Countryboy, I can see paper going out of fashion eventually. People do more and more of the reading on the internet these days, that is one of the reasons why so many newspapers are in trouble.

Anything that is put on paper can be put on the internet much more cheaply and in a much more convenient manner. While reading will continue, eventually witting by hand will become a lost art, will simply remain a curiosity.

Already people have lost the art of doing calculations in their head. When I went to the university, we did not have any calculators, we used slide rules. But slide rule doesn’t do additions and subtractions we had to do that manually. Even today I do them without the help of the calculator. But since calculators are readily available, it has become a lost art.

For instance, I wonder how many can divide say, 10,457 by 239 by hand, without the help of a calculator. I don’t know if they even teach that in schools these days, calculators are so readily available.

I expect hand writing will go the same way. That is progress.

Yes and it's a bit of a hoot when one is in a store making a purchase and the power goes out (happens out here in the woods now and again). The cashiers - especially the younger ones - are pretty much disabled at that point. They can't make change because nobody ever taught them to count. The little screen that tells them what to do is blank, and so is the look in their eyes. Kind of sad to witness an attack of "dysfunctionality" so up close and personal.

Yes, I'm also from the "old school" and during a summer job I once had, we had to calculate an 11% "hidden" federal sales tax on products. In our heads. And it wasn't on the selling price, it was on the cost price. Which was buried in a bunch of codes stamped here and there on the products. And we had to do in front of the commercial customers, who were tax-exempt. Good brain exercise.

I honestly question whether or not computers are cheaper than paper. They eat energy, a book doesn't. Hell, they might even eat brain cells but the jury is still out on that...no stats yet! Plus, there is the capital cost of the equipment to consider, not to mention all the time wasted to make things right when a freeze-up or melt-down occurs. We have convinced ourselves that we can't live without them and that they are real time-saving devices, but I think many of these claims are overstated in that the "true" costs are buried in many different places.

No question they do save time and allow all kinds of processing of information in a big hurry (I have 2 complete systems, one of which runs a business or two) and I've been around them since the days of the big, room-filling tape drives. But, I view them with a bit of a jaundiced eye when it comes to the real value of them. I think it's one of those "can't live with them and can't live without them" things.

Hand writing has been on the outs for some years now. No surprise there. I think we are losing something more than just the handwriting itself...perhaps a touch or two of "civility", for lack of a better word. And large doses of civility can even prevent wars, so I do put a value on it.

If we were discussing the military, I might use the analogy that we are all quite satisfied with the tactics, a bit less clear on the strategy, and don't have a clue about the objective. Or, as someone once said (can't remember who): "Having lost sight of our objectives, we redoubled our efforts." I might put in more bluntly: "If you don't know where the hell you're going, it's doubtful that you'll get there."

No question, time marches on but are we really progressing? It all depends on one's point of view, I suppose. The Romans thought they were fairly progressive too, but the excesses (and perhaps an inability to look at themselves objectively) eventually did them in.

Progess? Hmm...toward what goal?
 

talloola

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Yeah, if it was l959 I would have been in my 20th year, thatdefinitely would make it better, wow I could fix all the mistakesI made, get all that money back I wasted over the years.
 

damngrumpy

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Money was actually worth more back in 59, we had a belief system that allowed the
authorities to preach whatever they wanted and people believed it.
Today we know better and life is much better over all
 

TenPenny

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For instance, I wonder how many can divide say, 10,457 by 239 by hand, without the help of a calculator. I don’t know if they even teach that in schools these days, calculators are so readily available.

I cannot speak for Ontario, but in NB that is taught in elementary school.

Although I think they also teach special classes for workers at fast food joints to make them unable to do subtraction.
 

JLM

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Money was actually worth more back in 59, we had a belief system that allowed the
authorities to preach whatever they wanted and people believed it.
Today we know better and life is much better over all

What's this "we" bullsh*t or are you including S.J.? People are better able to afford (no, get credit for from the bank) to buy more unnecessary material objects. People are much more litigious today. There is a lot less regard for our fellow man today.
 

JLM

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"For instance, I wonder how many can divide say, 10,457 by 239 by hand, without the help of a calculator. I don’t know if they even teach that in schools these days, calculators are so readily available."- I'm not sure what the point of it would be. I could do a rough calculation in my head in about 10 seconds and come up with a figure of about 44 for a ballpark answer, which could be a useful ability when say dickering on a used car lot. (Ooooooooooooops, that should be PREOWNED car lot). (Another bit of nonsense we didn't have in the 50s)
 

SirJosephPorter

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"For instance, I wonder how many can divide say, 10,457 by 239 by hand, without the help of a calculator. I don’t know if they even teach that in schools these days, calculators are so readily available."- I'm not sure what the point of it would be. I could do a rough calculation in my head in about 10 seconds and come up with a figure of about 44 for a ballpark answer, which could be a useful ability when say dickering on a used car lot. (Ooooooooooooops, that should be PREOWNED car lot). (Another bit of nonsense we didn't have in the 50s)


Indeed, that would be a good rough estimate, I think. However, it can also be calculated to as many decimal places as you want, without using calculator, slide rule or any kind of aid.

And the point of it would be to learn arithmetic. But as I said, such a skill would be redundant today, with the advent of calculators.
 

countryboy

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Indeed, that would be a good rough estimate, I think. However, it can also be calculated to as many decimal places as you want, without using calculator, slide rule or any kind of aid.

And the point of it would be to learn arithmetic. But as I said, such a skill would be redundant today, with the advent of calculators.


Er, that's a scary thought. If arithmetic skills are no longer necessary, there's gonna be some nasty tickets issued by the Conservation Officers here in BC when they find anglers that went over their limit of 5 rainbow trout per day because they couldn't count! Guess they'll have to change that regulation pretty soon! Or perhaps they'll change the safety equipment laws to add calculators to the existing "must have in the boat" list of things like PFDs, bailing bucket, 50' rope, etc.

Let's see now, following that same line of logic, we could likely do away with accelerators in cars because we now have cruise control.

Or, perhaps we no longer need to have to worry about gardening because we can simply get prepped meals from the store. (The fact that they might kill you over time isn't important...it's convenient, and convenience is a high priority these days - versus nutrition to help build healthy bodies and minds)

And, with the great and wonderful progress in the world of computers, we could simply do away with thinking altogether! Then we wouldn't have to worry about things like preparing real and healthy food for those healthy minds...we wouldn't need them anymore!

Yep, once again, we're certainly on our way to somewhere with that kind of "progress" and shallow logic...but where is "somewhere?" Oh that's right - I don't need to know that, do I? I just need to sit back and watch things unfold. And I promise not to think too hard about them.

Don't forget - back in the 50s, many predictions were made about how we'd all be flying around in nifty little airplanes to go to work and do our shopping by the turn of the century. Please excuze me - gotta go and fire up the Jetsonmobile. But wait, it's parked in Jetspace no. 6, and I can't remember that number which used to follow 2. Was it 6? No, that's not right...5? Oh, oh...What am I to do? :p
 

JLM

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Indeed, that would be a good rough estimate, I think. However, it can also be calculated to as many decimal places as you want, without using calculator, slide rule or any kind of aid.

And the point of it would be to learn arithmetic. But as I said, such a skill would be redundant today, with the advent of calculators.

By certain people perhaps. I'm all for kids being taught the fundamentals of math, knowing the times tables and recognizing simple tricks like (multiplying 39 X 40) which equals 40 squared - minus 40, should take 2 seconds. To many places of decimals????????? Not for average folk.
 

YukonJack

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In 1959 I got engaged, because it was the only way I could get IT.

In 1959 I was single, with not a worry in the world. No mortgage, no bills.

Now, I can get IT anytime, but, what for? No mortgage, and the bills I can handle.

So, it's a tie.
 

countryboy

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In 1959 I got engaged, because it was the only way I could get IT.

In 1959 I was single, with not a worry in the world. No mortgage, no bills.

Now, I can get IT anytime, but, what for? No mortgage, and the bills I can handle.

So, it's a tie.

And what's more, there are people out there who, no matter what the year or decade, just don't get IT!
 

AnnaG

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Indeed, that would be a good rough estimate, I think. However, it can also be calculated to as many decimal places as you want, without using calculator, slide rule or any kind of aid.

And the point of it would be to learn arithmetic. But as I said, such a skill would be redundant today, with the advent of calculators.
Perhaps we should have failsafe power sources, too, then. Because once the power goes out, commerce stops. No stock markets, no grocery store cash register, no credit card/debit card swipes, etc.
It isn't just that, either. Cops used to be able to take down suspects without pulling their sidearms. Now, they taser people or shoot them full of holes. Your leaf blower dies. Instead of picking up a rake, you throw the thing in the garbage, drive to the store and splurge on another leaf blower.
Too much reliance on technology isn't necessarily progress.
 
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lone wolf

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My mother was a an office person from the Underwood days. She always though it was funny when the power went out and everyone in the office's face went as blank as their screens....
 

TenPenny

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In a place I worked about 10 years ago, they accidentally cut the phone lines while cutting the floor to install a crane...that knocked out the computer connections to the unix server...so all of the accounting people went home for the day.

The rest of us still had the ability to do work, but apparently, no one in accounting had any filing or anything else to do that didn't require a phone and a computer....