Parliamentary page sacrifices her job for anti-Harper protest

[Cliffy]

Ethical is selling off Canada one resource and industry at a time....

That is an enterprise engaged in by the Liberals and Conservative parties. Which leads me to believe that the orders come from somewhere else, like outside the country.

well, we don't don't want the low wages that come from sweat shop manufacturing, and we don't want to implode back to an agricultural country, so I suggest that we had better darn well sell our resources or we will all be out of work.

The argument in not about selling our resources, it's about giving them away at bargain basement prices.

 

[lone wolf]

well, we don't don't want the low wages that come from sweat shop manufacturing, and we don't want to implode back to an agricultural country, so I suggest that we had better darn well sell our resources or we will all be out of work.

What do you call the call centres that replaced good-paying industrial work? Now here's more of those ethics.... You're entitled to your opinion ... not to demand your rights trump mine. Lemming? Who's doing the blind following into oblivion?

 

[petros]

well, we don't don't want the low wages that come from sweat shop manufacturing, and we don't want to implode back to an agricultural country, so I suggest that we had better darn well sell our resources or we will all be out of work.

The country that wins the most when the chips are down is a nation that invests in R&D and hordes it's resources for it's self to use as cheaply and most efficiently as possible to employ people producing the goods for self consumption.

In tight times you close your doors. You don't fling them wide open, bend over and pass out lube gel.

 

[cranky]

The country that wins the most when the chips are down is a nation that invests in R&D and hordes it's resources for it's self to use as cheaply and most efficiently as possible to employ people producing the goods for self consumption.

In tight times you close your doors. You don't fling them wide open, bend over and pass out lube gel.

So world market prices are low?

What do you call the call centres that replaced good-paying industrial work? Now here's more of those ethics.... You're entitled to your opinion ... not to demand your rights trump mine. Lemming? Who's doing the blind following into oblivion?

I dont recall call centre coming into this country and kicking out industry, so i have to disagree with your version of history.

 

[mentalfloss]

Have you been napping?

I am referring to how easily and quickly the lefties come running to the defense and support of a chic that compromised her work ethics just because they happen to share her dislike for Harper.

That's simply coincidence.

I think that all went as it should - she went partisan to make a point and then got fired.

If I disagreed with her political stance, I would voice that as well - but I wouldn't condemn her protestation just as I don't praise her protest simply because we happen to share the same federal ideals.

I think it's time to rename the slippery slope fallacy to the 'sour grapes' fallacy.

This assumption that anyone who supports an act of protestation, by association, also supports the content of that protest is stupid and just divides people further into this fake left and right nonsense. I'm sure there are plenty of conservatives who think her actions were pretty normal, even though they don't agree with her political inclinations.

 

[lone wolf]

So world market prices are low?



I dont recall call centre coming into this country and kicking out industry, so i have to disagree with your version of history.

Of course you'll disagree.... Call centres and low pay are the consolation prize for a lack of industry - but DO feel free to interpret in whichever way makes you comfortably righteous. I mean ... isn't that the "lemming" way?

 

[cranky]

That's simply coincidence.

I think that all went as it should - she went partisan to make a point and then got fired.

If I disagreed with her political stance, I would voice that as well - but I wouldn't condemn her protestation just as I don't praise her protest simply because we happen to share the same federal ideals.

Well i commend you for saying that. Alas, i am not convinced that this thread is filled with other posters willing to write what you have. Cheers to you

Of course you'll disagree.... Call centres and low pay are the consolation prize for a lack of industry - but DO feel free to interpret in whichever way makes you comfortably righteous. I mean ... isn't that the "lemming" way?

If you worked in industry but landed in a call centre, would you not retrain or reeducate? You wouldnt advise your son to sit around and wait for things to go back to the ways it used to be, no?

 

[lone wolf]

Well i commend you for saying that. Alas, i am not convinced that this thread is filled with other posters willing to write what you have. Cheers to you



If you worked in industry but landed in a call centre, would you not retrain or reeducate? You wouldnt advise your son to sit around and wait for things to go back to the ways it used to be, no?

Where would I find the time to re-educate or retrain if my time is occupied by the boilerhouse to feed the family (who used to do just fine on the old industrial paycheque) How will things "go back to the ways it used to be" when the work has gone someplace where the labour is cheaper so investors can have a healthier profit margin?

 

[EagleSmack]

well, we don't don't want the low wages that come from sweat shop manufacturing, and we don't want to implode back to an agricultural country, so I suggest that we had better darn well sell our resources or we will all be out of work.

Damn Cranky, I'm a conservative Yank but I am not sure that is such a great idea. We went by that thinking and we are pretty much OWNED by the Chinese.

I do hear what you are saying though.

I honestly don't know what to do. Us Yanks have become such a consumer based society and have such a high standard of living that we could never compete with overseas manufacturing wages. Those factory jobs are gone for good in this country anyways.

 

[petros]

"The Nation that destroys its soil destroys itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1937​

 

[EagleSmack]

That's simply coincidence.

I think that all went as it should - she went partisan to make a point and then got fired.

If I disagreed with her political stance, I would voice that as well - but I wouldn't condemn her protestation just as I don't praise her protest simply because we happen to share the same federal ideals.
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If she did that on the floor of the Massachusetts State House she would have got a round of applause and given a State Job with a 50K starting salary. Then again, if she was a page at the Mass State House she would have been the daughter of someone connected to begin with.

 

[Tonington]

I honestly don't know what to do. Us Yanks have become such a consumer based society and have such a high standard of living that we could never compete with overseas manufacturing wages. Those factory jobs are gone for good in this country anyways.

That's a myth about standard of living. Germany has a very high standard of living, and a very strong manufacturing sector. The difference I think is your leaders. Germans will use government power to bolster it's economy. They will also cut waste like a butcher cuts up pork.

German wages have grown by about 30% since 1985, while American wages have grown by about 6%, all adjusted for inflation.

America is still a nation of very affluent people, but there are lessons to be learned. Having the rich get richer while everyone else does not, is not a sustainable economy.

 

[Corduroy]

The indignation over her "compromised work ethic" is hilarious.

 

[Unforgiven]

The indignation over her "compromised work ethic" is hilarious.

Totally agree! While people can blow our money as the Americans did over the softwood lumber and the Prime Minister simply agreeing to it, blow money on G20 meetings where the hired guns have a field day trampling Charter Rights, the one thing that get's someone upset is a girl with a home made sign quietly standing, holding it up in Ottawa.

Talk about priorities. lol

 

[EagleSmack]

That's a myth about standard of living. Germany has a very high standard of living, and a very strong manufacturing sector. The difference I think is your leaders. Germans will use government power to bolster it's economy. They will also cut waste like a butcher cuts up pork.

German wages have grown by about 30% since 1985, while American wages have grown by about 6%, all adjusted for inflation.

America is still a nation of very affluent people, but there are lessons to be learned. Having the rich get richer while everyone else does not, is not a sustainable economy.

They're a different people too... a different culture.

And when the rich send every single job they can overseas... from manufacturing to call and tech help centers... what else is there to do?

"The Nation that destroys its soil destroys itself."


Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1937​

Look what you did to the thread Petros!

We're all typing in maroon italics!

 

[petros]

America is still a nation of very affluent people, but there are lessons to
be learned. Having the rich get richer while everyone else does not, is not a
sustainable economy.

Affluent or effluent? I heard some gal on American TV saying she was proud how effluent she and her neighbours were.

Is our children learnin'?

 

[EagleSmack]

Affluent or effluent? I heard some gal on American TV saying she was proud how effluent she and her neighbours were.

Is our children learnin'?

If they aren't learnin'... they are fixin' to learn.

 

[Tonington]

They're a different people too... a different culture.

And when the rich send every single job they can overseas... from manufacturing to call and tech help centers... what else is there to do?

Your people and culture had a revolution once. History can repeat itself...

 

[EagleSmack]

Is our children learnin'?

"I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some . . . people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over HERE in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children".

 

[captain morgan]

Damn Cranky, I'm a conservative Yank but I am not sure that is such a great idea. We went by that thinking and we are pretty much OWNED by the Chinese.

I do hear what you are saying though.

I honestly don't know what to do. Us Yanks have become such a consumer based society and have such a high standard of living that we could never compete with overseas manufacturing wages. Those factory jobs are gone for good in this country anyways.

Take a closer look at the US (and Cdn) circumstance. Both nations are selling their raw materials overseas and then buying-back the finished goods... Using this as the anecdote, we are both 'buying back' the very resopurces that we sold but this time at a higher value due to the value-added (VA) effort that was applied. That VA component is the labour/mfg addition that does not consume any raw material per se.

Because of relative economies and societal expectations, the mfg sector in North America has shrunk. When NA was in the global driver's seat, it was largely supported by the mfg sector. Now we have a large 'services' sector coupled with natural resources... What I am driving at here is that our historical commercial/business infrastructure allowed us to be 'our own customers' while simultaneously servicing international markets through exports... There was a positive trade account.

Today, the tables are turned and we are seeing exactly what the price of the public's demand for cheap goods/services has rained-down on our own greedy heads.