Palestinian "Unilateral Declaration of Independence"

[AbtFet]

I don't think the Palestinians are very unique......but OK.........now all they have to do is negotiate a peace with Israel.

They have already rejected a nation TWICE........their options will only get smaller.

Not unique? Who else is has been affected more by Zionism?
Peace deals have already been attempted and shut down emphatically by Izrael.

I have no problem with that. Just, next time you see them, if you could kindly ask them to stop trying to blow smoke up my rear with their stories about ties to the land for generations. Most of them are newcomers, just like the Jewish immigrants, and just like most Canadians are recent immigrants to Canada.

Of course, the real problem is not the lack of a state for Palestinian Arabs, but the existance of a state for Palestinian Jews. The goal is to eliminate Israel, not create Palestine. Once the Arabs eliminate the Jews, Palestine will return to being the dust swept barren it was before the zionists starting arriving in the 19th century.

Silly propaganda. You think ordinary Palestinians have their goal as elimination of Israel? :lol:




King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951)
Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.
Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.
Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.
We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.
Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?

 

[Colpy]

Not unique? Who else is has been affected more by Zionism?
Peace deals have already been attempted and shut down emphatically by Izrael.

Unfortunately, after Arafat's rather dramatic rejection of Ehud Barak and the launch of the second intifada......the Israeli people lost faith in the ability of the Palestinians to create a leadership to work towards peace.

The Israelis no longer believe they can negotiate peace with Palestinians.....so they have taken a hard right turn in their voting.

Netanyahu is hardly the man to bring peace to the ME.

The Palestinians and Arabs blew both their chances.....now it will be war war war and then.....more war.

unless Hamas miraculously disappears, or moderates their position......

 

[AbtFet]

I find it ironic the vehement anti-Immigrant people here are great Pro-Israeli supporters, lmao.

 

[CDNBear]

I find it ironic the vehement anti-Immigrant people here are great Pro-Israeli supporters, lmao.

I find it funny, that you cry about Israeli, while you live on stolen land yourself.

Are you aware of what a hypocrite is?

 

[AbtFet]

Unfortunately, after Arafat's rather dramatic rejection of Ehud Barak and the launch of the second intifada......the Israeli people lost faith in the ability of the Palestinians to create a leadership to work towards peace.

The Israelis no longer believe they can negotiate peace with Palestinians.....so they have taken a hard right turn in their voting.

Netanyahu is hardly the man to bring peace to the ME.

The Palestinians and Arabs blew both their chances.....now it will be war war war and then.....more war.

unless Hamas miraculously disappears, or moderates their position......

ISraeli's can't do any negotiating when they're still in control over the lives of Palestinians and while Jewish settlers remove Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank.

 

[Goober]

You think so?

That area was ruled by Jews, Arabs, Babylonians, Romans, Brits, French etc - Both have legitimate claim to a country.

The present Arab countries borders were for the most part created after WW1 and WW2 - But no room for the Jews. Right.

 

[AbtFet]

For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab.

Quoted from a 1947 article written by King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein

 

[CDNBear]

For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab.

You can scream it from the top of the CN Tower, you'll still be wrong.

And you quoting a xenophobe is irony at it's purest.

 

[Goober]

For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab.

Quoted from a 1947 article written by King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein

So should Kosovo be returned to the Serbs? Then the Ethnic Albanian Muslims deported

 

[Just the Facts]

Silly propaganda. You think ordinary Palestinians have their goal as elimination of Israel? :lol:

lol of course not, the average Palestinian wants to live in Israel. The ruling class wants the elimination of Israel, and the paupers will have to go along or be hung as spies or collaborators.

 

[Goober]

So should Kosovo be returned to the Serbs? Then the Ethnic Albanian Muslims deported

BUMPERONI - Question to difficult

 

[Colpy]

A young Jewish settler looks for belongings at the rubble of a house demolished by the Israeli authorities on September 5, 2011 in the West Bank settlement of Migron near the Palestinian city of Ramallah, in the West Bank. The High Court of Justice has declared that the Migron outpost is illegally built on private Palestinian land.

 

[Colpy]

Michael Coren: The "New" Left & The "New" Islam Are On Their Way To Genocide - YouTube

 

[AbtFet]

'Settlers vandalize, set fire to ... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Settlers set fire to a mosque south of Nablus early Monday morning, in an apparent "price tag" attack following the earlier demolition of three homes in the Migron outpost, the Ma'an news agency quoted Palestinian sources as saying.

 

[Goober]

'Settlers vandalize, set fire to ... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Settlers set fire to a mosque south of Nablus early Monday morning, in an apparent "price tag" attack following the earlier demolition of three homes in the Migron outpost, the Ma'an news agency quoted Palestinian sources as saying.

Did you think that removing settlers would be easy.

 

[Colpy]

'Settlers vandalize, set fire to ... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Settlers set fire to a mosque south of Nablus early Monday morning, in an apparent "price tag" attack following the earlier demolition of three homes in the Migron outpost, the Ma'an news agency quoted Palestinian sources as saying.

Did you think that removing settlers would be easy.

Of course not.

Israel has, however, done it before. They removed all the settlers in Gaza by force when they withdrew in 2005..........with plans to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank as well. But Hamas ruined it, they just had to use newly abandoned Gaza as a launch point for attacks on Israel........

Obviously, that was somehow the fault of the Jews.

 

[Corduroy]

lol.....

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds."

"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937

"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria...
...politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
- The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
- Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council

Referring to the same Arab view of Palestine in 1939, George Antonius spoke of "the whole of the country of that name [Syria] which is now split up into mandated territories..." His lament was that France's mandate over Syria did not include Palestine which was under Britain's mandate.

At every one of those points in history, you could have also said that Israel doesn't exist. You could have said that most of the Jews in the world had little cultural connection to the Jews in Palestine, save their religion and that the idea of Palestine being a Jewish homeland to millions of Jews whose ancestors hadn't lived there in thousands of years makes about as much sense as Switzerland being a Celtic homeland.

The point is irrelevant.

 

[Just the Facts]

Well, I don't know anything about Switzerland's Celtic past, so I can't comment there.

In general I don't think I have any argument with what you said, except that my post becomes relevant in response to

They aren't Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, they're Palestinian.

The point is they didn't become "Palestinian" until the 1960's. Which is well and fine, groups of people evolve all the time. But as far as history is concerned, the Jews clearly have the most legitimate claim to the land. They deserve at least to exist on the little slice of Palestine that they ended up with.

Just as an aside, did you know that the word "Palestine" is actually the ancient Greek translation of the word "Israel"?

Things that make me go hmmmm.

 

[petros]

15 days....

 

[Corduroy]

The point is they didn't become "Palestinian" until the 1960's.

I know that's your point and I know what it's in response to. I'm saying that it doesn't matter. National identity is fabricated. However recent that fabrication is irrelevant.

But as far as history is concerned, the Jews clearly have the most legitimate claim to the land.

"The Jews" have no claim to Palestine whatsoever. The people who live there have claim. More important than any historical claim is the human claim to the right of self-determination.