Ahhh....the West Bank was part of Jordan......Gaza was part of Egypt........there never was a country called "Palestine"........
Oh....and where do you think the Jews would have been "safe" in 1947???????
Palestinian "Unilateral Declaration of Independence"
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Ahhh....the West Bank was part of Jordan......Gaza was part of Egypt........there never was a country called "Palestine"........
Oh....and where do you think the Jews would have been "safe" in 1947???????
True but they still consider themselves Palestinians and not anything else. As well they have been fighting for a Palestine state and there very well may be one soon.
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951)
Incredible article written by King Abdullah in 1947 about Jewish/Arab relations and Americans views on the subject.
So, now that you admit that, I guess you have some apologizing to do.
You may want to start with Colpy.
You must be copying Breezy's ignore list...can't do anything on your own?
And your value system is copying Aljazzeera??? gimme a break:roll:
I know. But it's fun making him eat his own words.
Which is why I'm on his ignore list now.
I'm looking forward to all the...
Wow, he sounds a lot like people who see a Muslim menace rising in western nations.
How do you justify saying this is an incredible article, while anyone that says the EXACT same thing about Muslims, is an Islamophobe?
A "Unilateral Declaration of Independence" will be an utterly meaningless act, as the Palestinians do not control their own destiny, and they never have.
It is unfortunate that they CHOSE to follow the lead of their Arabic brethern, and attempt, over and over again, to destroy Israel. In 1948, tThousands of them moved out of what was to become the "Jewish State", so that they would not be in the way of the Muslim Armies rolling the Jews right into the sea. Others, either because of poverty, or stubbornness, refused to move, but chose to openly support the Arabs in their attempt to eliminate the State of Israel.
But, the Arabs lost, big time. Those Palestinians that had openly supported the Muslim cause were expelled from Israel (as they should have been), those that had not were allowed to remain in Israel and have full Israeli citizenship (and that consisted of many thousands of people).
The Jordanians controlled the vast majority of what was supposed to become the country of Palestine, Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip and Syria a tiny sliver of the far northeast of that proposed state. Those Palestinians that had either voluntarily left Israel before the war, or who were expelled afterwards, were placed in squalid refugee camps, and never allowed to have ANY citizenship, in ANY country.
Even though they lived in, were born in, married in worked in territory either controlled by or that was actually inside Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or Egypt, they were not allowed to have citizenship in any of those countries. Instead, they were taught to hate Israel, to blame Israel for all of their problems, etc.
Between 1948 and 1967, the majority of the Palestinian lands were under Muslim control. BUT, they would not allow any country called Palestine to be formed. It was not until after the 1967 war, when Israel was invaded for the 4th time, conquered the entire West Bank, the Golan Height's and the Gaza Strip that Syria, Jordan and Egypt suddenly relinquished any claim to those territories that had been scheduled to become Palestine.
If the Muslim countries actually wanted Palestine to become a country, why didn't THEY form it between 1948-1967?
They had every opportunity, but instead, they annexed that land into their own countries.
They also prevented any Israeli from entering the West Bank, to visit any of the Jewish Holy Sites. They went so far as to refuse anyone entry to ANY Muslim country (with the exception of Turkey), if you had a Visa Stamp in your Passport from Israel. I know that to be fact, because the U.S. Army had to get me a new passport after I had been part of a Military Mission to Israel, and later went to Saudi Arabia.
Let's not have the bleating, tearing of clothing and general weeping and wailing for those poor Palestinians. In actual fact, they live much better under Israeli control than they ever have without it. The people in Gaza were much etter off economically under the Israeli's than they ave been under either the Palestinians, the Egyptians or now under Hamas.
The economy of the West Bank is a LOT better now than it ever was under the control of Jordan.
Yes, the people of Palestine deserve to have their own state. BUT, they also need to give up the idea of conquering Israel, and the idea that they are going to get Jeruseleum back. Had they NOT blocked the Israeli's from visiting their Holy Sites for the 19 years that the east side of that city was under Muslim control, the Israeli's MIGHT be open to such an idea. But they killed that idea by their own behavior.
The Israeli's have never stopped the Muslims from having access to THEIR Holy Sites. Frankly, I am somewhat amazed that they didn't bulldoze the Temple Mount when they conquered it, but they chose NOT to do that. Instead, unlike the Muslims, they chose to allow their enemies unfettered access to, and total control of, those buildings.
So long as Hamas, Hezbollah and the other radical Muslim organizations are powerful, and are calling for the destruction of Israel, there will not be a State of Palestine in any real sense. Israel would have to collectively decide to commit suicide to ever allow such a thing to happen.
It is unfortunate that they CHOSE to follow the lead of their Arabic brethern, and attempt, over and over again, to destroy Israel. In 1948, tThousands of them moved out of what was to become the "Jewish State", so that they would not be in the way of the Muslim Armies rolling the Jews right into the sea. Others, either because of poverty, or stubbornness, refused to move, but chose to openly support the Arabs in their attempt to eliminate the State of Israel.
But, the Arabs lost, big time. Those Palestinians that had openly supported the Muslim cause were expelled from Israel (as they should have been), those that had not were allowed to remain in Israel and have full Israeli citizenship (and that consisted of many thousands of people).
The Jordanians controlled the vast majority of what was supposed to become the country of Palestine, Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip and Syria a tiny sliver of the far northeast of that proposed state. Those Palestinians that had either voluntarily left Israel before the war, or who were expelled afterwards, were placed in squalid refugee camps, and never allowed to have ANY citizenship, in ANY country.
Even though they lived in, were born in, married in worked in territory either controlled by or that was actually inside Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or Egypt, they were not allowed to have citizenship in any of those countries. Instead, they were taught to hate Israel, to blame Israel for all of their problems, etc.
Between 1948 and 1967, the majority of the Palestinian lands were under Muslim control. BUT, they would not allow any country called Palestine to be formed. It was not until after the 1967 war, when Israel was invaded for the 4th time, conquered the entire West Bank, the Golan Height's and the Gaza Strip that Syria, Jordan and Egypt suddenly relinquished any claim to those territories that had been scheduled to become Palestine.
If the Muslim countries actually wanted Palestine to become a country, why didn't THEY form it between 1948-1967?
They had every opportunity, but instead, they annexed that land into their own countries.
They also prevented any Israeli from entering the West Bank, to visit any of the Jewish Holy Sites. They went so far as to refuse anyone entry to ANY Muslim country (with the exception of Turkey), if you had a Visa Stamp in your Passport from Israel. I know that to be fact, because the U.S. Army had to get me a new passport after I had been part of a Military Mission to Israel, and later went to Saudi Arabia.
Let's not have the bleating, tearing of clothing and general weeping and wailing for those poor Palestinians. In actual fact, they live much better under Israeli control than they ever have without it. The people in Gaza were much etter off economically under the Israeli's than they ave been under either the Palestinians, the Egyptians or now under Hamas.
The economy of the West Bank is a LOT better now than it ever was under the control of Jordan.
Yes, the people of Palestine deserve to have their own state. BUT, they also need to give up the idea of conquering Israel, and the idea that they are going to get Jeruseleum back. Had they NOT blocked the Israeli's from visiting their Holy Sites for the 19 years that the east side of that city was under Muslim control, the Israeli's MIGHT be open to such an idea. But they killed that idea by their own behavior.
The Israeli's have never stopped the Muslims from having access to THEIR Holy Sites. Frankly, I am somewhat amazed that they didn't bulldoze the Temple Mount when they conquered it, but they chose NOT to do that. Instead, unlike the Muslims, they chose to allow their enemies unfettered access to, and total control of, those buildings.
So long as Hamas, Hezbollah and the other radical Muslim organizations are powerful, and are calling for the destruction of Israel, there will not be a State of Palestine in any real sense. Israel would have to collectively decide to commit suicide to ever allow such a thing to happen.
Very much so...
Sounds like xenophobia to me.
Funny how Abtfet condones that. I guess it's just because they're Jews. And well, we all know how he feels about Jews.
Is that the one Also known as the Jerusalem Talmud???
Funny how we lost one Jew hater with cubby, only to gain another one shortly after in Ab-foot-in-mouth;-)
That's because they're one in the same.
Right down to the same silly thumbs down.
But I am impressed that he hasn't had one of his usual meltdowns.
I can just see him vibrating at the keyboard, holding it all in, when his posts get torn to shreds, and he's made a fool of constantly and consistently.
It's second name even though it was written in Tiberius Galilee. 1600+ years ago.
now there are two types of information....the usefull kind which is locked away for further reference and then there's the (what does this have to do with the price of oranges?) information.
lol.....
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds."
"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937
"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria...
...politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
- The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
- Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council
Referring to the same Arab view of Palestine in 1939, George Antonius spoke of "the whole of the country of that name [Syria] which is now split up into mandated territories..." His lament was that France's mandate over Syria did not include Palestine which was under Britain's mandate.
Syrian President Hafez Assad once told PLO leader Yassir Arafat:
You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.
http://www.peacefaq.com/palestinians.html
There is much more, read it all.
Abtfet, at the CC Squre gardens...
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For the love of Allan Abtfet, just stay down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah prior to partition.
While Arab nationalism, at least in an early form, and Syrian nationalism were the dominant tendencies along with continuing loyalty to the Ottoman state, Palestinian politics was marked by a reaction to foreign predominance and the growth of foreign immigration particularly Zionist.[19]
Palestinian nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Proposals for a Palestinian state currently refers to the proposed establishment of an independent state for the Palestinian people in Palestine on land that was occupied by Israel since the Six-Day War of 1967 and before by Egypt (Gaza) and by Jordan (West Bank) since 1949.
Proposals for a Palestinian state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palestinians are unique peoples and do not consider themselves anything but Palestinian-Arabs, not Syrians, Jordanians or Egyptians.
How convenient.
So, since you live on land, that many First Nations feel was stolen from them. When will you be leaving?
I mean, you can't really be against Israel, when you do the same thing you complain about them doing, can you?
I don't think the Palestinians are very unique......but OK.........now all they have to do is negotiate a peace with Israel.
They have already rejected a nation TWICE........their options will only get smaller.
I have no problem with that. Just, next time you see them, if you could kindly ask them to stop trying to blow smoke up my rear with their stories about ties to the land for generations. Most of them are newcomers, just like the Jewish immigrants, and just like most Canadians are recent immigrants to Canada.
Of course, the real problem is not the lack of a state for Palestinian Arabs, but the existance of a state for Palestinian Jews. The goal is to eliminate Israel, not create Palestine. Once the Arabs eliminate the Jews, Palestine will return to being the dust swept barren it was before the zionists starting arriving in the 19th century.