I would say you will find a cooling trend every winter..Warming one every spring..That's climate change..;-)
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October 2009 3rd Coldest for US in 115 Years
7 11 2009
Joseph D’Aleo AMS fellow, CCM
NCDC has compiled the October temperatures and it ended up the 3rd coldest in 115 years. As we have shown it was cold over almost all the lower 48. Indeed only Florida came in above normal. There is no [NOAA/NCDC] press release out yet but it should be interesting.
Enlarged here
October with a mean of 50.8F was behind only 1976 with 50.7F and 1925 with 49.4F.
Also the University of Alabama global temperature is out and it is down this month. Hadley came in late for September but it was down. The trends since 2002 continue down for both even as CO2 rises.
7 11 2009
Joseph D’Aleo AMS fellow, CCM
NCDC has compiled the October temperatures and it ended up the 3rd coldest in 115 years. As we have shown it was cold over almost all the lower 48. Indeed only Florida came in above normal. There is no [NOAA/NCDC] press release out yet but it should be interesting.
Enlarged here
October with a mean of 50.8F was behind only 1976 with 50.7F and 1925 with 49.4F.
Also the University of Alabama global temperature is out and it is down this month. Hadley came in late for September but it was down. The trends since 2002 continue down for both even as CO2 rises.
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
Earth is Not Cooling, according to Statisticians
An analysis of global temperature data by four independent statisticians found no true temperature declines over recent time, according to the Associated Press (AP) story, which provided the data to the statisticians without telling them what the numbers represented.
The AP sent expert statisticians NOAA's year-to-year ground temperature changes over 130 years and the 30 years of satellite-measured temperatures preferred by skeptics and gathered by scientists at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
The statisticians found a distinct decades-long upward trend in the numbers, but could not find a significant drop in the past 10 years in either data set, according to the AP.
NOAA also re-examined their temperature data and found no cooling trend.
"The last 10 years are the warmest 10-year period of the modern record," said NOAA climate monitoring chief Deke Arndt. "Even if you analyze the trend during that 10 years, the trend is actually positive, which means warming."
John Grego, a statistician from the University of South Carolina produced three charts to show how choosing a starting date can alter perceptions. Using the skeptics' satellite data beginning in 1998, there is a "mild downward trend," he said. But doing that is "deceptive."
The trend disappears if the analysis starts in 1997. And it trends upward if you begin in 1999, he said to the AP.
To find the cooling trend, the 30 years of satellite temperatures must be used. The satellite data tends to be cooler than the ground data. And key is making sure 1998 is part of the trend, said Don Easterbrook, a Western Washington University geology professor and global warming skeptic. According to Easterbrook, it's what happens within the past 10 years or so, not the overall average, that counts.
Saying there's a downward trend since 1998 is not scientifically legitimate, said David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor and one of those analyzing the numbers for the AP.
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Coldest October in 64 years
LATEST: It will come as little surprise to most New Zealanders that the country shivered through the coldest October in 64 years.
In its climate summary for the month, the Niwa said the average temperature nationwide was 10.6degC _ 1.4degC below average.
Such a cold October has occurred only four times in the past 100 years, the last time in 1945.
It was only fractionally warmer than August, which recorded a warmer-than-normal average temperature of 10.4degC.
Niwa said October was shaped by a series of southerly fronts, all-time record low temperatures in many areas, and unseasonable late snowfalls.
The heaviest October snowfall since 1967 occurred in Hawke’s Bay and the central North Island on Octobe 4 and 5 stranding hundreds of travellers, closing roads, and resulting in heavy lambing losses.
Not only was it cold, but it was also wet.
Rainfall was near-record (more than 200 percent of normal) in parts of Hawke’s Bay, Gisborne and the Tararua district, and well above normal in the remaining east of the North Island, as well as Wellington, Marlborough and parts of Canterbury.
It was, however, dry and sunnier than usual on the West Coast of the South Island.
For those pinning their hopes on a quick thaw, Niwa is predicting temperatures over the next three months to be near average for the North Island and top of the South Island, but below average elsewhere
It was warmer than usual here today, though. So much for global cooling.
Coldest October in 64 years
LATEST: It will come as little surprise to most New Zealanders that the country shivered through the coldest October in 64 years.
In its climate summary for the month, the Niwa said the average temperature nationwide was 10.6degC _ 1.4degC below average.
Such a cold October has occurred only four times in the past 100 years, the last time in 1945.
It was only fractionally warmer than August, which recorded a warmer-than-normal average temperature of 10.4degC.
Niwa said October was shaped by a series of southerly fronts, all-time record low temperatures in many areas, and unseasonable late snowfalls.
The heaviest October snowfall since 1967 occurred in Hawke’s Bay and the central North Island on Octobe 4 and 5 stranding hundreds of travellers, closing roads, and resulting in heavy lambing losses.
Not only was it cold, but it was also wet.
Rainfall was near-record (more than 200 percent of normal) in parts of Hawke’s Bay, Gisborne and the Tararua district, and well above normal in the remaining east of the North Island, as well as Wellington, Marlborough and parts of Canterbury.
It was, however, dry and sunnier than usual on the West Coast of the South Island.
For those pinning their hopes on a quick thaw, Niwa is predicting temperatures over the next three months to be near average for the North Island and top of the South Island, but below average elsewhere
Yes I was looking into this and several site and NASA showed October as a warmer month in general in the US.
Not sure about New Zealand.
In general I can see that our local weather has been a total mess with conditions being all over the map.
lol
Exactly. My point being that localized weather for a short term is not a good indicator of GLOBAL, LONG-term CLIMATE. That fact seems to have not sunk into a few minds here.
How is the US an indicator of Global climate trends? So far I have seen nothing that indicates global cooling, but then I don't see anything to panic about either way. Climate is not an indicator of whether or not the planet is conducive to healthy living. Pollution is the factor to be concerned about.
Not everyone is smart. Not just forum posters, but also the bloggers and journalists they quote.
Consider this, have you ever gone to a mechanic for your dental work? Probably not. Yet on blogs and some serious journalists' columns, they don't appear to be encumbered by their shortfalls in understanding the dynamic systems they opine about.
For a good example, there are two authors who wrote a very successful book. It was called Freakonomics. They traded that credit, and wrote a new book called Superfreakonomics, which includes a chapter on this subject. They completely twisted the views of the only scientist they consulted with, and have since been condemned wholesale by the experts in that field.
It does not. Post #142 concerns the October temperatures for the USA ONLY.
NASA's temperatures are GLOBAL. There's a great big difference between the USA and the entire globe.
Good grief!
Here are some recent data:
Sea Level
Arctic Sea Ice
Carbon Dioxide Concentration
Global Average Temperature
Ozone Hole
Climate Change: Key Indicators
A little bit on ANTARCTIC sea ice and WHY it is increasing:
Why is Antarctic sea ice increasing?
Sea Level
Arctic Sea Ice
Carbon Dioxide Concentration
Global Average Temperature
Ozone Hole
Climate Change: Key Indicators
A little bit on ANTARCTIC sea ice and WHY it is increasing:
Why is Antarctic sea ice increasing?
Check the post that #142 refutes and you'll see that Francis2004 says that the US is warmer. You're welcome.
Good point.
Thew fact still remains that one month in one country is not much of an indication of a long-term general trend over the globe.