Our cooling world
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I was reading last night that geologists examining lava beds in south western USA stated that they had examined lava that indicated a ten degree shift in the magnetic field over a period of 6 weeks.
what's been refuted and shut down with multiple sources. Name it/them... sure you can! Can you present any one thing, in particular :mrgreen:
So then, decreasing solar wind should make more low level clouds and the earth should cool. Has the Earth been cooling since 1991-1992? Nope.
Why 2007, hmm looks like that was the most recent warmest temperature for NASA. That's not a very good reason to pick 2007. The solar wind has been declining since long before 2007, at least 1991-1992. For the cherry pickers:
So then, decreasing solar wind should make more low level clouds and the earth should cool. Has the Earth been cooling since 1991-1992? Nope.
Why 2007, hmm looks like that was the most recent warmest temperature for NASA. That's not a very good reason to pick 2007. The solar wind has been declining since long before 2007, at least 1991-1992. For the cherry pickers:
By any chance did you notice the name of that website? I'm sorry you took the bait left for dywaldo.
Yeah, there's been the "pause" since 1998, but no cooling. 2014 looks like it'll be a top five year, maybe even a top 3 year, over the last 150 or so. That will play hell with the cherry pickers.
petrocd... is this you once again scrambling to disassociate yourself from a website quotation you put forward? I called you on this tactic of yours a short while back! And now you're going to do it again?
Nature Communications: Solar activity impacts polar ozone - Press release archive - Ilmatieteen laitos
We are lucky TSI is dropping as the magnetosphere weakens. Less polar ozone heating.
Excuse us men, we are discussing important issues.
We are lucky TSI is dropping as the magnetosphere weakens. Less polar ozone heating.
Excuse us men, we are discussing important issues.
So then, decreasing solar wind should make more low level clouds and the earth should cool. Has the Earth been cooling since 1991-1992? Nope.
Why 2007, hmm looks like that was the most recent warmest temperature for NASA. That's not a very good reason to pick 2007. The solar wind has been declining since long before 2007, at least 1991-1992.
as I mentioned, member petrocd tried the same thing a short while back on another subject/quoted reference he had made... he made a mad scramble effort to attempt to dissociate himself from it. And now he does it again!
My conclusion
It's obvious two drivers have been warming the planet and altering weather patterns. One is diminishing. How will that alter the effects of the other?
Did somebody give you a speaking role?
Back to reality....
The solar induced changes in the lower atmosphere affect surface features such as temperature and pressure. The model's response agrees with observations, including the long record of geopotential height variations (a function of temperature throughout the lower atmosphere), implying that these observed 10-12 year oscillations are likely driven, at least partially, by solar variability.
It is intriguing to extrapolate these results to longer term solar irradiance changes, which are roughly two to three times larger than solar cycle variations. The pattern of modeled surface temperature changes induced by solar variability is well correlated with observed global warming over the first half of the 20th century, but not with the more rapid warming seen over the past three decades. The latter more closely resembles modeled warming induced by increasing greenhouse gas emissions. This suggests that although solar variability does impact surface climate indirectly, it was probably not responsible for most of the rapid global warming seen over the past three decades.
Reference
Shindell, D.T., D. Rind, N. Balachandran, J. Lean, and P. Lonergan 1999. Solar cycle variability, ozone and climate. Science 284, 305-308.
It's obvious two drivers have been warming the planet and altering weather patterns. One is diminishing. How will that alter the effects of the other?
Did somebody give you a speaking role?
Back to reality....
The solar induced changes in the lower atmosphere affect surface features such as temperature and pressure. The model's response agrees with observations, including the long record of geopotential height variations (a function of temperature throughout the lower atmosphere), implying that these observed 10-12 year oscillations are likely driven, at least partially, by solar variability.
It is intriguing to extrapolate these results to longer term solar irradiance changes, which are roughly two to three times larger than solar cycle variations. The pattern of modeled surface temperature changes induced by solar variability is well correlated with observed global warming over the first half of the 20th century, but not with the more rapid warming seen over the past three decades. The latter more closely resembles modeled warming induced by increasing greenhouse gas emissions. This suggests that although solar variability does impact surface climate indirectly, it was probably not responsible for most of the rapid global warming seen over the past three decades.
Reference
Shindell, D.T., D. Rind, N. Balachandran, J. Lean, and P. Lonergan 1999. Solar cycle variability, ozone and climate. Science 284, 305-308.
why so vague! Which 2 drivers and which one is diminishing (and why)?
yup, the owner(s)/operator(s) of this forum..... or are you calling the shots around here? :mrgreen:
Yes, I did more than just notice the name, I read up on who they are, and other projects they're involved in. It's the equivalent of a creationist group running a website called evolutionclassroom.info. They peddle the same crap you do. That's some great bait! :lol:
Hmm, we finally agree on something.
Now we see at what rate C02 carries climate change forward and how much from an active sun crawling out of extreme long term inactivity.
Hurry up and wait. We'll find out after the next solar max.
Hurry up and wait. We'll find out after the next solar max.
his bait... bit him, big-time!
I expect he didn't read his full quotation and missed this last paragraph zinger!
"The pattern of modeled surface temperature changes induced by solar variability is well correlated with observed global warming over the first half of the 20th century, but not with the more rapid warming seen over the past three decades. The latter more closely resembles modeled warming induced by increasing greenhouse gas emissions. This suggests that although solar variability does impact surface climate indirectly, it was probably not responsible for most of the rapid global warming seen over the past three decades."
""This suggests that although solar variability does impact surface climate indirectly, ""
This has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on paper. To suggest indirect impact on earths surface climate rests on the insane idea of an unknown but more direct impact. This is not science it's the bottom of a the rotten disgracefull bull sh it of thieves and liars.
