Our cooling world
- Thread starter Walter
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overdone? How so? No knowledgeable person presumes to suggest that natural variability doesn't influence. However, in terms of actual warming, for your "overdone" premise to hold weight, skeptics would need to show what forcing factors are at play to support your use of the word "overdone". If skeptics could show this, skeptics would show this... skeptics haven't shown this.
I wish all questions were that simple. "Climate warming" &/or "climate change" was virtually unheard of 20 years ago. Yet when you review weather statistics over thousands of years you will see that most trends last far longer than 20 years. I say man has contributed a bit just because every time he lights a fire it heats the earth to some extent, but whether man's contribution is going to do irreparable permanent harm to the earth is still questionable. I have no idea whether it will or it won't which is why I say err on the side of caution. Can you improve on that philosophy?
I wish all questions were that simple. "Climate warming" &/or "climate change" was virtually unheard of 20 years ago. Yet when you review weather statistics over thousands of years you will see that most trends last far longer than 20 years. I say man has contributed a bit just because every time he lights a fire it heats the earth to some extent, but whether man's contribution is going to do irreparable permanent harm to the earth is still questionable. I have no idea whether it will or it won't which is why I say err on the side of caution. Can you improve on that philosophy?
the current relatively recent warming trend is certainly more than your referenced '20 years'. Again, if skeptics could account for an influence other than anthropogenic sourced fossil-fuels as the principal causal tie to warming/climate change, skeptics would account for that influence... again, skeptics have not accounted for an alternate principal causal tie.
you certainly are correct in terms of 'harm'. All legitimate skeptics have given up disputing the warmth, have accepted that mankind is principally responsible for that increased (and accelerated) warmth. The only remaining real debate is on "climate sensitivity"... is around the degree of expected warming and the related impact... that is a legitimate debate that scientists are actively engaged in. Your apparent "erring on the side of caution" is, to me, one of a wait/delay/do nothing positioning... certainly, correct me if I'm wrong. If I've correctly interpreted your use of "erring on the side of caution"... if you'd "erred incorrectly"... what then?
No, I was thinking more of reducing polluting activities like don't drive if you can walk, don't burn coal if wood is available, turn the thermostat down when you retire for the night, turn the lights off in rooms you aren't occupying, don't idle your vehicle for more than a minute or two, if you are cooking in the oven try to do everything in the oven. If everyone followed these fairly basic procedures I think it would add up to a substantial saving.
I think what you'll really find today, for the most part, is you're observing 'emergency lighting'... notwithstanding overall lighting efficiences maximized. Of course, most corporations lease... the bottom-line cost savings in these cases go to the building owners and the management companies that operate the buildings.
I'm going to register that name and do slander suits whenever somebody blames Evil Corp for wrong doing.
It'll be $50 well spent.
It'll be $50 well spent.
You turn the light on in the room you are cleaning and then turn it off when done.
Did you ever hear of the straw that broke the camel's back?
Has Gore been visiting these states recently?
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