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Is it still 'sea ice' when it is resting on the ocean floor and the ice extends 2 miles above the water level?
How much did the ice-breakers that were used over the last decades contribute to a shrinking of the sea-ice? Now that those events have stopped the ice is going back to it's normal size. If the ice ever does start to 'shrink' driving over the remaining ice will allow the frost to penetrate deeper causing the ice to thicken.
 

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.....as well reflecting all the heat to make global warming warm.
The tropics would heat up more and that would increase evaporation and that moisture would travel north and fall as snow. Winds would then take it the rest of the way north. Getting 20 - 30 ft of snow per winter would be the part that cannot get adapted to, not only an issue by itself but the melting would see flooding that would be much greater than we see today and the floods would last right until they froze.

The cold will bring things worse than cold air a month before it used to.
 

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The tropics would heat up more and that would increase evaporation and that moisture would travel north and fall as snow. Winds would then take it the rest of the way north. Getting 20 - 30 ft of snow per winter would be the part that cannot get adapted to, not only an issue by itself but the melting would see flooding that would be much greater than we see today and the floods would last right until they froze.

The cold will bring things worse than cold air a month before it used to.
Why? Why would the tropics heat up?
 

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More sea ice also ramps up the brine system which plays an important role in ocean circulation.
As the salt precipitaes out when saltwater freezes it's ability to lift the fresh water ice would also increase and at some point the brine wouldn't freeze. The ocean current wouldn't stop as the cold can migrate downwards without water moving and the water that does rise at the equator will find some water from the north and south latitudes to replace it. If you look at the outline the Grand Banks create and if more ice is below the water than is above then that outline that surrounds the Arctic could be use to show how far the ice was during summer and winter and anything past that broke up in the 'summers'. Googlemaps show the bottom in decent detail, enough that you could speculate what that cut is just before the Grand banks take a real dive in depth. Even that could be speculated as being the crust bending as the deeper crust moves to the west as the Atlantic Ridge spreads. That spreading would also affect the ice crust and it would develop a crack that would channel melt water to create a rive in the ice. The fresh water it dumped in would have replaced the water that went south as that was taken from around Greenland.
 

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That's not what the article said but I do understand that it was probably a little over your head. PM me and I can explain it to you if you like
Gee, I thought this thread dealt with cooling not BS.
 

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If the water doesn't get as far north before it gets stopped then it heads south sooner and time is taken away from the loop that exists today. If heat loss is the same (or less) then when it gets to the tropics it is a tad warmer and the same heat that is available today would still be available when the polar regions are experiencing colder winters. To get glaciers that are 2 miles tall at NY,NY it has to come as snow and that depth would means it goes inland as well. We don't know how the Chinook winds affected snow/rain but at least one large body of water was created that went south across the border at a high rate of speed. If that happened out west it could have been going on in the east as well and the landscape that is the mountains in Georgia could be rain created rather than floods.
With the hot water at the equator heading north but on a shorter loop would it also travel faster than it does today as well as being hotter. No matter what speed it goes if it is above 82F there are going to be hurricanes created.
The wind patterns would also be different where local winds might travel in a circle as far as snow/rain and the cold wind push the snow to the north where it gets it's depth rather than from snowfall. If the ice-age went full bore the ice would grow so much that the ocean levels would drop 400 ft. That number could be used to determine how much the salinity would rise on average and salt makes it denser and that allows the same volume to carry away heat faster and lose it to the air faster and to cold water faster. Have the water from the GOM lose all it's heat by the time it hit the Grand Banks (ice shelf) and it sinks and heads south along the divide and it would pick up that heat long the way. There would be another one one the other side of the Atlantic Ridge, Spain would be about as far north as it's water got so that current could be many times faster than the Gulf Stream is at present, the South Atlantic could have been one big loop so the ice from that pole would have met a lot of warm water and that means lots of snow going higher rather than wider.

Gee, I thought this thread dealt with cooling not BS.
Walter when the earth loses so much heat via radiation into space when ice covers 1/8 of the surface like it does today and conditions come along where snow covers 1/3 of the globe does that R-Value of ice eventually act like a blanket? That keeps the radiation to space level low enough that the heating of the mantle tales place so that conditions of a pressure cooker begin to develop and that 'stored heat' escaping violently is what ends an ice-age until the conditions repeat themselves and the cooling conditions take over.
 

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WTF? According to flossy al that ice is gone, not getting larger. Is it possible the greenies have lied to us again?

Not just the greenies. The engineers too. If you're designing a mine right now, and estimating water balances for the size of your diversion channels and pits adn tailings ponds, you bet they are taking into account that glaciers are melting.

Good luck getting a mine in in BC though, after that court ruling that natives have a veto on their traditional territories, followed by a major tailings breach.


That's on top of the warmest May and June.

Global Analysis - May 2014 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

Global Analysis - June 2014 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)
 

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Not just the greenies. The engineers too. If you're designing a mine right now, and estimating water balances for the size of your diversion channels and pits adn tailings ponds, you bet they are taking into account that glaciers are melting.

Good luck getting a mine in in BC though, after that court ruling that natives have a veto on their traditional territories, followed by a major tailings breach.



That's on top of the warmest May and June.

Global Analysis - May 2014 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

Global Analysis - June 2014 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)


Oh....but this September it is has been cool for a whole 10 days.....10!
 
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