Ontario residents to receive guaranteed income of $22,000!

DaSleeper

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I hate those self checkouts.....
Pain in the but to get your money back if someone forgot to enter the advertized sales price of an article in the store computer....
Their excuse..."You must have made a mistake Sir"
 

davesmom

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I hate those self checkouts.....
Pain in the but to get your money back if someone forgot to enter the advertized sales price of an article in the store computer....
Their excuse..."You must have made a mistake Sir"



I refuse to go through self-serve checkouts. If that is all that is open I leave my purchases and go elsewhere. Luckily we live in a small town surrounded by other centers that have a wide choice of stores. I would rather drive ten miles to buy somewhere else than patronize businesses that are so greedy they won't provide 'people' service.
I swear, if the stores all went that way in the future I would do all my shopping on line!
It is bad enough when you can't get a human being on a business phone but I will NOT buy merchandise from a machine! Not as long as there is a choice.
 

Decapoda

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I would rather drive ten miles to buy somewhere else than patronize businesses that are so greedy they won't provide 'people' service.
I swear, if the stores all went that way in the future I would do all my shopping on line!
It is bad enough when you can't get a human being on a business phone but I will NOT buy merchandise from a machine! Not as long as there is a choice.

I get what you're saying, but isn't online shopping buying from a machine?

Actually, a lot of stores are pushing their customers in that direction already. I went into an electronics store a couple of months ago to buy something, when I asked a guy who worked there if he could help me out, he told me that they didn't have what I was looking for in stock and I should go home and order it online. He even suggested that I go home, order it online, and have it shipped to the store so I could come back to the store and pick it up!! I looked at him and asked him why I would do that when I could have it shipped to my door. I got an empty, blank stare for a response.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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May 28, 2007
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I will use it though at McDonald's if there is a long lineup and I'm just getting a coffee.....

I do too. But they have a flaw in their system. If you order just a drink they will sometimes skip you thinking the 'order taker' has given you your cup. This is when the cups are self serve.
 

davesmom

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I get what you're saying, but isn't online shopping buying from a machine?

Actually, a lot of stores are pushing their customers in that direction already. I went into an electronics store a couple of months ago to buy something, when I asked a guy who worked there if he could help me out, he told me that they didn't have what I was looking for in stock and I should go home and order it online. He even suggested that I go home, order it online, and have it shipped to the store so I could come back to the store and pick it up!! I looked at him and asked him why I would do that when I could have it shipped to my door. I got an empty, blank stare for a response.


Yes you could say it is 'buying from a machine' but it is my choice, it isn't forced on me by big companies who decide what kind of service you deserve and will get whether you like it or not.


You do make a good point that the stores are having trouble finding competent employees. I have had frustrating experiences too in retail stores.
I went to a computer supply store to get a cable for a special hook-up that my son described to me in detail. I described it to the clerk, told him what it was for and he gave me the wrong cable.
Another one in a music store where I asked for bluegrass cds, the clerk looked at me like I was from another planet and said, "BLUEGRASS? What the hell is that?"


And yet there are small businesses that seem to find friendly, competent help although they are few and far between.
 

Jinentonix

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If it smells like bullsh*t and it sounds like bullsh*t, it's probably bullsh*t. How will this be administered? Is it per household or per individual? At over $300 billion in debt, where's the province going to get the cash to support this?
A couple on Ontario disability gets less than $20,000/yr. I have a very hard time believing that through the "magnanimity" of the Ontario Liberals, they'll suddenly be receiving $44,000/yr.
It sure ain't like the Liberals haven't had 14 years to address the amounts people on ODSP receive.
Instead of a mincome, how about reducing or eliminating some of the more regressive taxes. Like that goddam stupid global adjustment fee on our hydro bills. If, as a recent govt ad says, Ontario power generation is 99.7% emissions-free, then why the f*ck are Ontarians paying a tax for NOT contributing to global warming through power generation?

On top of it all, I find it rather amusing that a govt that has helped contribute greatly to the poverty rate in Ontario for the last 14 years has suddenly come up with a plant to alleviate the poverty they helped create in the first damn place. In other words, if they put as much thought and planning into this as they have with many of their other policies, Ontario will be completely screwed.
Of course this alleviation for the poor only affects those who can vote. You'll notice that there's still no plan to deal with Ontario's homeless. And there never will be until the Liberals rebuild the mental health care system for people 18 and over. But that won't happen since it was the Libtards who dismantled it in the first place.
 

Angstrom

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Ontario report touting basic income likely to target middle-aged women, disabled adults for most help | National Post


W.T.F. should any able bodied person of working age (15-65) expect to receive ANY money without working for it?

Nope, **** those abled bodied slaves. Let's tax them into 3rd world conditions to give handouts to retards and watch our country extinct itself from lack of able bodied people reproduction, and start letting in 250 000 immigrants a year instead.
 

Johnnny

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Nope, **** those abled bodied slaves. Let's tax them into 3rd world conditions to give handouts to retards and watch our country extinct itself from lack of able bodied people reproduction, and start letting in 250 000 immigrants a year instead.

 

MHz

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Really?? I saw her pic in the 'Mail-order Bride from the EU' catalogue, never thought somebody would actually pick her. You are from northern AB I assume where you need a wife that can also chuck hay bales around all day and still skin something for supper.
 

Ron in Regina

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$22,000 per year is, broken down over 12 months, and then balancing that
over 168hrs (assuming someone was working full-time) to a net of $10.91/hr.

$10.91/hr/net = $gross? per hour in Ontario? What's the minimum wage there?
Is it more than $14/hr gross??? Just curious....
 

Ron in Regina

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Lmfao.

First McDs in Canada was 1967...

This picture is from 1972.



$22,000 per year is, broken down over 12 months, and then balancing that
over 168hrs (assuming someone was working full-time) to a net of $10.91/hr.

$10.91/hr/net = $gross? per hour in Ontario? What's the minimum wage there?
Is it more than $14/hr gross??? Just curious....

 

petros

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Minimum Wage Rates
Minimum Wage Rate Rates from October 1, 2015 to September 30, 2016 Current Rates as of October 1, 2016
General Minimum Wage $11.25 per hour $11.40 per hour
Student Minimum Wage $10.55 per hour $10.70 per hour
Liquor Servers Minimum Wage $9.80 per hour $9.90 per hour
 

taxslave

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So ... minimum wage is sort of like going union then, eh?

In a way. It can maker a company noncompetitive. Depending on the industry a union like the one I belong to can actually be a benefit to a company because we have our own training facility.And it is a one stop shop for benefits.

You don't seem to understand the difference between minimum wage and a minimum guaranteed income.


PS - self serve checkouts have been around for over a decade, and bank ATMs for many decades. Continue blaming non-related factors for automation. Is the onset of internet shopping due to the $15 minimum wage, too?

Of course I know the difference between them. Do you? We have always had a guaranteed minimum income. Called welfare. Many that get it shouldn't.
AUtomation is directly linked to wage costs. There is no point in automating if the cost isn't lower than the workers it replaces.
 

MHz

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$22,000 per year is, broken down over 12 months, and then balancing that
over 168hrs (assuming someone was working full-time) to a net of $10.91/hr.

$10.91/hr/net = $gross? per hour in Ontario? What's the minimum wage there?
Is it more than $14/hr gross??? Just curious....
That $22K would be tax-free and the $15/hr is not tax free and the different is probably what the taxes would end up being.
If a pensioner has an income on top of that then what they owe in taxes at years end would probably swallow up most of their pension cheques. Not a win/win in every case