Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

JLM

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Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

The Ontario government's decision to raise the provincial minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2019 has set off a storm of predictable criticisms. https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/op...ttps://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile


The sense of minimum wage is questionable and definitely a bad idea if set by the Gov't. I doubt if Minimum wage is EVER a good idea, but in the rare cases where it is it should be set in the marketplace..............NOT by f**king bureaucraps! We've been chasing this stupidity for 60 years that I have seen and the same people are still poor today who were poor then. Can we buy more with the pay cheque today than we could then. NO! If there is any extra cash somewhere on account of it, it's mostly in the slum lords' pockets! :) :)
 

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The sense of minimum wage is questionable and definitely a bad idea if set by the Gov't. I doubt if Minimum wage is EVER a good idea, but in the rare cases where it is it should be set in the marketplace..............NOT by f**king bureaucraps! We've been chasing this stupidity for 60 years that I have seen and the same people are still poor today who were poor then. Can we buy more with the pay cheque today than we could then. NO! If there is any extra cash somewhere on account of it, it's mostly in the slum lords' pockets! :) :)

The marketplace? If you understand basic economics you should be able to understand that the marketplace always pushes for the lowest possible wage for the average worker.
 

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The sense of minimum wage is questionable and definitely a bad idea if set by the Gov't. I doubt if Minimum wage is EVER a good idea, but in the rare cases where it is it should be set in the marketplace..............NOT by f**king bureaucraps! We've been chasing this stupidity for 60 years that I have seen and the same people are still poor today who were poor then. Can we buy more with the pay cheque today than we could then. NO! If there is any extra cash somewhere on account of it, it's mostly in the slum lords' pockets! :) :)



I think you're on to something. No minimum wages, and let's eliminate pensions, too.
 

Danbones

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You missed the recent action in Illinois I take it:
Don't worry, pensions will eliminate themselves.
 

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If there is guaranteed income for everyone over the age of 18 as proposed by the Ontario Gov't of $17,000 per year, then minimum wage rates can be eliminated. However who is going to pay for this and what is the incentive to work? Also, the proponents of this don't say anything about school curriculum updates because of technological advances, which in turn, creates fewer jobs. Fewer jobs mean less tax collected which, in turn, means higher taxes for those still working so why bother if one can collect money from the gov't and around and around we go!

Stiffling ingenuity and creativity and taxing the hell out of everything (goods and services) will simply mean that our country will be destroyed from the inside; businesses will close or leave thereby jobs lost. But I've got a feeling there are those who actually want that to happen; they're called dictators who do not want to see us freely expressing ourselves nor do they want us to have economic freedom. They want control over the population and will succeed if we become too ambivalent. Unfortunately, way too many people are ambivalent because they are either too busy trying to put food on the table or couldn't be bothered to find out what our politicians and those who believe that we are not entitled to have a decent standard of living are doing to undermine the very principles this country was founded on.

Even the name "progressives" is a misnomer because in actual fact they are "regressive" and are literally destroying any semblance of a free society. Between excessive rules and regulations and the stiffling of free speech, we really cannot say we are improving; my belief is that we are going towards something we will come to regret. While this change is becoming more radical by the day, it is not overly apparent in most situations, but my hope is that I am not around to see it reach the conclusion our elites and their ilk want.


JMHO
 

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If there is guaranteed income for everyone over the age of 18 as proposed by the Ontario Gov't of $17,000 per year, then minimum wage rates can be eliminated. However who is going to pay for this and what is the incentive to work?
The incentive is a difference of about $1000/mo gross. Assuming a 40 hour work week, at $15/hr it works out to $2400/mo before taxes. With a $17,000/yr mincome that works out to $1416/mo. Will the mincome be a taxable benefit is the question.
 

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The incentive is a difference of about $1000/mo gross. Assuming a 40 hour work week, at $15/hr it works out to $2400/mo before taxes. With a $17,000/yr mincome that works out to $1416/mo. Will the mincome be a taxable benefit is the question.


If the minimum wage was increased to $50 an hour, nothing would be improved! Think about it!
 

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You guys hate good news.
You've never owned a real business with employees, have you. Wrapping up dog shit in a pretty box and slapping a bow on top doesn't make it a gift. You're desperately trying to polish a turd.

Let's look at Ontario's greenhouse industry. All but the very largest are getting socked with carbon taxes for something plants consume. I mean Christ, a greenhouse is like a CO2 recycling facility where CO2 gets turned into O2 and the idiot Libtards you keep cheerleading think they need to be carbon taxed for it. They're already dealing with ridiculous hydro bills and now they're facing a 24% increase in minimum wage over 18 months. Yeah, I guess we don't need to grow our own food anymore either. Farming is so carbon intensive, let's become entirely dependent on everyone else for our food supply.

Oh and such good news for those working in the fast food industry too. It's great to see the employees of what is probably the single largest cause of food waste in North America getting paid more. I mean let's face it, if the environment ie: global warming is such a dire problem, then why doesn't govt crack down on the industry by strictly limiting the number of locations in any given area? Seems counter-intuitive to keep lopping down forests for cattle, using arable land for livestock feed plus all the water required, just to throw god knows how many animals into garbage bins at the end of the day.
And yet, for some reason we need to pay the employees in that wasteful industry even more.

You know what this will do because it's happened before and it's never gone away. There'll just be more under-the-table work going on.
 

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If the minimum wage was increased to $50 an hour, nothing would be improved! Think about it!
I didn't suggest it would. I was responding to Dixie's question about mincome and the minimum wage and the monthly difference between the two, assuming a 40 hour work week at $15/hr.
 

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I guess you have no choice but to raise the minimum wage when you expect people to pay electricity bills that high.

The end result is a simple devaluation of our currency. 100$ is the new 1$
 

White_Unifier

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I guess you have no choice but to raise the minimum wage when you expect people to pay electricity bills that high.

The end result is a simple devaluation of our currency. 100$ is the new 1$

You do have a choice, but what's the point after inflation?