One of Pierre Trudeau’s finer moments

[Cobalt_Kid]

The Quebec cabinet minister was murdered as a response to martial law. The murder was a direct result of Trudeau invoking the War Measures Act.

To his credit, he was shaken when the body was found......he knew he had inspired the murder.

I will not lay blame for it at his feet, as I make no excuses for terrorists.

Then he let the kidnappers slip away to Cuba.

Yep. Tough guy. While innocents lounged in Canadian jails.

And that doesn't even touch on the rest of his sins..............and there are many.

Why do you think I have voted for almost every federal political party except the Liberals????

Put it in perspective, what did many other countries have at that time.

Nixon in the US and before him Johnson, two presidents that I truly dislike.

In the East there was the Soviet block and near absolute dictators and that was the model for many places around the globe...and still is to a lessor degree. It was a different time and many Canadians supported and trusted Trudeau for many of the reasons you dislike him so much.

And I think Trudeau's excesses pale in comparison to our current PM who only let's the House sit when he feels like it and has degraded the entire political system to the point where it barely functions when it is active.

 

[captain morgan]

And I think Trudeau's excesses pale in comparison to our current PM who only let's the House sit when he feels like it and has degraded the entire political system to the point where it barely functions when it is active.

Awwww... Is widdums upset that harper used the very same strategy that has been used over and over and over by the Liberals?

How come you have no outrage when Chretin prorogued parliament all those times?... 7 of them I believe when he was in power.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

How come you have no outrage when Chretin prorogued parliament all those times?... 7 of them I believe when he was in power.

Probably because Chretien has been delegated to the history files and the PM who ran on the platform of accountability and transparency that was supposed to make up for the democratic deficit under the last government has instead embraced and extended it.

I'm not interested in living in a Canada with an illusion of freedom which is mostly what we're getting under Harper. I didn't like the excesses under Chretien and Canadians rightfully removed what they saw as a government that had been abusing our trust. Now we've got one that has institutionalized that approach to power and we're supposed to what, cheer?

 

[captain morgan]

Probably because Chretien has been delegated to the history files and the PM who ran on the platform of accountability and transparency

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Man, CK, you crack me up buddy... Just couldn't make past that statement... It's gonna be a while before I get my breath back

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Yep. Can you imagine a PM spontaneously taking five minutes to have a debate with a reporter today? Agree with him or not I like the fact that he was willing to do it. Most politicians in general are coy and avoid answering questions. He didnt care, he'd tell you what he thought. Mulroney was like that too to a lesser degree.

How many journalists would also be capable of a debate today? Most are just looking for the photo-op.

 

[Goober]

Probably because Chretien has been delegated to the history files and the PM who ran on the platform of accountability and transparency that was supposed to make up for the democratic deficit under the last government has instead embraced and extended it.

I'm not interested in living in a Canada with an illusion of freedom which is mostly what we're getting under Harper. I didn't like the excesses under Chretien and Canadians rightfully removed what they saw as a government that had been abusing our trust. Now we've got one that has institutionalized that approach to power and we're supposed to what, cheer?

Both ran on the same honesty in Govt.

 

[gerryh]

Why do you think I have voted for almost every federal political party except the Liberals????

because you're an idiot.

 

[Cliffy]

How many of you guys were in Montreal during the October crisis? Or even in Quebec? It was a very tense and dangerous time. Martial Law was a joke though. The army was stationed around police stations and one soldier was stationed at each politician's home. Other than that, the citizens were on their own.

It ticks me off when I hear people pissing on the French. The English treated them with disdain at best and utter contempt at most. There were very good reasons for the FLQ and the separatist movement and obviously those reasons still exists today from what I read on these forums. Between the English, the French ruling class and the Catholic schools system, the French were purposely kept under educated. They were groomed from birth "for small potatoes", to be the working stiffs, while the English were groomed for running the show. Trudeau was not trying to appease the French. He was trying to bring them back into the fold and make life a little more equal for them.

Back then I supported the FLQ for their struggle for equal opportunities. I was seriously pissed at the attitude of the English in Quebec and since I came out west, I find that most of the English people out here are just as bigoted as they were back there. Racism you all save for the Indians, East Indians and Orientals.

 

[petros]

The man was scum.

He declared martial law and had hundreds of people jailed without charge or trial.....because of two kidnappings.

And Canadians salivate at his name.

It is enough to make one ill.

Go ahead be ill because the same sh*t is still happening. If you disagree, you're with the terrorists.

It ticks me off when I hear people pissing on the French. The English treated them with disdain at best and utter contempt at most.

Wanna know why? Protestant against Catholic.

 

[Cliffy]

Go ahead be ill because the same sh*t is still happening. If you disagree, you're with the terrorists.

Wanna know why? Protestant against Catholic.

My dad was a British born Catholic and he hated the French. In Quebec it was a three way hate fest: English Catholics against the protestants, English Catholics and protestants against the French. We had three public school systems: English Catholic, French Catholic and Protestant. The Jews got stuck in the Protestant schools if they couldn't afford a private school. At the time everybody hated everybody else.

 

[petros]

Sounds normal.

 

[Kreskin]

This is Trudeau at his best. A close second was back in about 1980 or 81 when he made a speech outside the White House to promote his anti-nuclear agenda. I wish that one would show up on youtube. It was brilliant. Reagan was standing there with his plastic grin while Trudeau called some congressmen "pipsqueaks". When it was televised live me and buddy almost fell out of our chairs laughing.

On the above video I like they way he asked the reporter, "well I'm asking you to first-guess."

 

[JLM]

because you're an idiot.

Your debonair side is showing again, Gerry.-

 

[DaSleeper]

And y'all seem to get a wet spot at the mere mention of the trou d'eau name....-:smile:

 

[coldstream]

At least he didn't follow the script vetted through his political cronies that produces the blandest, most inoffensive.. totally meaningless and boring canned phrases.. that make up most political talk today and is big a waste of everyone's time.

 

[petros]

The bland leading the bland. Harper lacks charisma, if he owned a set, he wouldn't be half bad as the caretaker PM that he is.

 

[Colpy]

because you're an idiot.

Ok...I know you suffer from some form of cyber Tourette's Syndrome, and I long ago decided how to treat you: ...... correct you gently when you are wrong, praise you on the odd occasion when you show some lucidity, and keep my patience when you start foaming at the mouth and swearing incoherently at everything around you.......

You see, I assume you were dropped on your head as a child, and that unfortunate incident left you with some brain damage.

Not really your fault.

I used to think you had perhaps fallen out of a high chair..........but now, I have realized that you are a Liberal, so probably you fell off the roof of a tall building, on to the asphalt.

Praise Justin!!

LOL

Oh, and way back in the 50s when your hero Pierre was busily sucking up to our enemies in the USSR, the American intelligence community wrote a report on him.

Basically harmless, they decided, but with "an infantile need to shock".

You are more like your hero than you realize.

 

[petros]

Don't be down on gerryh. Like everyone he has his story with highs and lows but came out victorious over one of life's hardest challenges and deserves a big pile of kudos for doing so.

If you knew, you'd take back what you said.

On another note. How is the present day tyranny working for you?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Man, CK, you crack me up buddy... Just couldn't make past that statement... It's gonna be a while before I get my breath back

That's probably because you share the contempt that Harper so obviously hold for most Canadians.

At least he didn't follow the script vetted through his political cronies that produces the blandest, most inoffensive.. totally meaningless and boring canned phrases.. that make up most political talk today and is big a waste of everyone's time.

That's true, it was raw and sometimes he came across as rude, but it was genuine, what we have now is a phony PM who hides behind whatever cover he can.

 

[Liberalman]

War Measures Act Broadcast - YouTube