On the evolution of The Origin of Species

petros

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And he saw that it was good....


H1N1

 

Tonington

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If a virus is a means of moving back towards equilibrium in nature, then it would have to be said to be a good thing.

Not for the individual, but on the whole.
 

AnnaG

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Oh. it is,but my point is that quantification MAY be moving faster than we can handle
( I'm thinking of thalidomide , ddt, flourocarbons,etc at the moment)
You are right. Human technology advances faster than the vast majority of people can. And I doubt if there's any one human that can encompass it all as it develops. It's what got us into making a mess of the planet in the first place. We develop stuff and start using it long before we consider the effects it might make on what's around us. Severe myopathy and retinitis pigmentosa combined.
 

AnnaG

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That doesn't really explain anything useful though, it just takes the origin of life on earth off-planet.
Yes. The last I heard, though, was that meteorites likely brought the building blocks of life here. Kind of neat. We're long distance relatives of Grblkznyop from the planet Vkrgfhtt. :D
 

karrie

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I kinda like logic and truth though but I guess that is just me.

Logic would dictate that you not waste time starting an argument 'incase' someone says what you are arguing against. It's too tempting for people like me to come point out that your anticipatory argument to a possible eventual post by someone, has some issues. :lol:
 

karrie

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If a virus is a means of moving back towards equilibrium in nature, then it would have to be said to be a good thing.

Not for the individual, but on the whole.

And of all the viruses in the world to choose... H1N1? A flu? Not Ebola or AIDS? lol.
 

karrie

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Yes. The last I heard, though, was that meteorites likely brought the building blocks of life here. Kind of neat. We're long distance relatives of Grblkznyop from the planet Vkrgfhtt. :D

The thing is though, there are as many suppositions about the precise origins, and the mechanism that set it in place, as there are people. While you might read an article and think 'wow, a meteorite did it', another person might read that article and think 'wow, the hand of god was a meteorite.' The same information, two different conclusions. Multiply by the number of readers. lol.
 

Tonington

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Yes. The last I heard, though, was that meteorites likely brought the building blocks of life here. Kind of neat. We're long distance relatives of Grblkznyop from the planet Vkrgfhtt. :D

To this day, nobody has refuted the experiment performed by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey. In fact it's been strengthened upon replication, with more sophisticated analytical tools and techniques that we have today. Given the conditions of ancient earth, it is possible to form amino acids...from there, it's all chemistry requiring time.
 

petros

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define natural. In this huge mysterious expanse of space and time, I make no assumptions about us understanding every force present in the universe.
The universe is constantly expanding (evolving) and therefore so is reality. If you want to believe in something from a compressed smaller reality then be my guest.

Life without doubt has evolved and will continue. The only constant in the universe is conscientiousness. Does it evolve or only gain knowledge.
 

Dexter Sinister

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The only constant in the universe is conscientiousness.
I presume you mean consciousness? That seems a pretty doubtful claim to me. The only place we know it exists is here on earth, it certainly hasn't always been here, and there'll be a time when it won't be here again. We know of about 2 dozen things that appear to be constant, like the speed of light (which is actually the product of two other constants), the fine structure constant, and so forth, though we have no idea why they're constant or why they have the values they do.
 

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I presume you mean consciousness? That seems a pretty doubtful claim to me. The only place we know it exists is here on earth, it certainly hasn't always been here, and there'll be a time when it won't be here again. We know of about 2 dozen things that appear to be constant, like the speed of light (which is actually the product of two other constants), the fine structure constant, and so forth, though we have no idea why they're constant or why they have the values they do.
I'm beginning to think that consciousness is in short supply (like common sense) and values seem to be deteriorating.
 

AnnaG

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Logic would dictate that you not waste time starting an argument 'incase' someone says what you are arguing against. It's too tempting for people like me to come point out that your anticipatory argument to a possible eventual post by someone, has some issues. :lol:
lmao Les says, "Hope for the best but expect the worst". I guess Petros is saying the boy scout motto, "Be prepared".