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I knew that, but never really understood the concept.
At American law, and I believe it's the same for Canada, there are three standards of evidence. The classic "beyond a reasonable doubt" of guilt in criminal cases, the "preponderance of the evidence" rule in civil cases, and sometimes an enhanced preponderance standard called "clear and convincing evidence."

I express them numerically as 95% sure, 51% sure, and 75% sure.

There's good reason for it. In criminal cases, the standard exists to limit the power of the state to frame up and lock up anybody it damn well feels like. In civil cases, the parties are on a relatively equal footing, and both have the opportunity to tell their stories. Most civil cases give an opportunity for the defendant to counter-claim, so the jury sorts out who's right and who's wrong.

That's the theory, anyhow.
 
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At American law, and I believe it's the same for Canada, there are three standards of evidence. The classic "beyond a reasonable doubt" of guilt in criminal cases, the "preponderance of the evidence" rule in civil cases, and sometimes an enhanced preponderance standard called "clear and convincing evidence."

I express them numerically as 95% sure, 51% sure, and 75% sure.

There's good reason for it. In criminal cases, the standard exists to limit the power of the state to frame up and lock up anybody it damn well feels like. In civil cases, the parties are on a relatively equal footing, and both have the opportunity to tell their stories. Most civil cases give an opportunity for the defendant to counter-claim, so the jury sorts out who's right and who's wrong.

That's the theory, anyhow.
Thanks. Still don’t get how someone declared innocent in court can still be sued in civil court. From my perspective one should just have to wave the Not Guilty paper to end any civil action. I can also see shortcomings in that as with OJ.
the other problem is that 100% sure is sometimes 100% wrong.
 

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Thanks. Still don’t get how someone declared innocent in court can still be sued in civil court. From my perspective one should just have to wave the Not Guilty paper to end any civil action. I can also see shortcomings in that as with OJ.
the other problem is that 100% sure is sometimes 100% wrong.
Perhaps the best answer is the so-called Scottish Verdict: "Guilt Not Proven."

Look at it this way. In a criminal case, it's "Are you absolutely sure he did it?" If yes, guilty.

In a civil case it's more like "Think he did it? Yeah, probably." And he's liable.
 

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Whoda guessed after the poor handling of the trial by prosecutors

Ghislaine Maxwell’s Attorneys Are Asking for a New Trial after Revelations of a Juror’s Comments about Sexual Abuse Were Uncovered​

By Joe Hoft
Published January 6, 2022 at 7:15am
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Here’s a different take on this goat rodeo:

One can certainly imagine Hillary Clinton advising Chelsea, then in her early twenties, not to permit her friends to accept any invitation to ride upon the Lolita Express, where dear old dad had flown with Epstein more than 25 times.

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Were Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell friends with benefits?

Claims made in new documentary titled 'Ghislaine, Prince Andrew and the Pedophile'
Author of the article:
Brad Hunter
Publishing date:
Jan 18, 2022 • 21 hours ago • 2 minute read •
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Jeffrey Epstein, from left, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew are pictured in file photos.
Jeffrey Epstein, from left, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew are pictured in file photos. Photo by File photos /Getty Images
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A new documentary claims that disgraced Prince Andrew and convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell may have been friends with benefits.
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Friends and a former royal protection officer are now confirming the possibility in the latest entry in the Ghislaine Maxwell-Jeffrey Epstein cinematic canon.

“From the way she was allowed to enter and exit the palace at will, we realized — suspected — that she may have had an intimate relationship with Prince Andrew,” former security officer Paul Page said. “A colleague of mine remembered her coming in four times in one day. She kept coming in and out, in and out.”

The documentary titled ‘Ghislaine, Prince Andrew and the Pedophile’ was slated to air Tuesday on Britain’s ITV.

In December, Maxwell was convicted in New York of sex trafficking in connection to the insidious underage ring constructed by her twisted benefactor and Andrew’s buddy, Epstein.
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Andrew has his own woes as he faces a massive civil suit from one of Epstein’s former sex slaves, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims she was sexually assaulted by the prince on three different occasions when she was underage.
Prince Andrew, Virginia Roberts Giuffre and socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
Prince Andrew, Virginia Roberts Giuffre and socialite Ghislaine Maxwell. Photo by VIRGINIA ROBERTS /FACEBOOK

Another Maxwell friend agreed that there was more going on between the ‘Puke of York’ and the fallen British socialite.

“I got the sense that Prince Andrew and Ghislaine had probably been girlfriend and boyfriend in the past,” Euan Rellie told the documentary. “They had an easy warmth around each other.”

Rellie said he became friends with Maxwell while studying at Cambridge University. He too was invited by Maxwell to a dinner party at Epstein’s lavish New York mansion “for my friend Prince Andrew.”
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“She described Andrew as being her friend, not Jeffrey’s,” Rellie said.

Page also said that the prince was known for having between 50 and 60 stuffed teddy bears on his palace bed.

“If those bears weren’t put back in the right order by the maids, he would shout and scream and become very abusive,” Page said.
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Andrew has denied all wrongdoing but his mother, Queen Elizabeth, has voted with her pen and stripped him of all his titles, including his prized “His Royal Highness” tag.

Maxwell is slated to be sentenced in June. She faces a possibility of 60 years in prison. However, her lawyers have launched an appeal and the conduct of one of her jurors has thrown the verdict into question.

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ANDREW GAL PAL BOMBSHELL: Epstein and Clinton 'were like brothers'
Author of the article:
Brad Hunter
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Jan 19, 2022 • 13 hours ago • 2 minute read •
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Buddy buddy. A British socialite says Jeffrey Epstein and former U.S. President Bill Clinton "were like brothers".
Buddy buddy. A British socialite says Jeffrey Epstein and former U.S. President Bill Clinton "were like brothers". Photo by HANDOUT /NETFLIX
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The former girlfriend of Prince Andrew is claiming billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and former U.S. president Bill Clinton “were like brothers.”
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Lady Victoria Hervey made the shocking claim in a documentary called Ghislaine, Prince Andrew and the Pedophile that aired Tuesday night on British TV and peels back more layers of the international sex trafficking puzzle.

Hervey, 44, said both men “loved” being around Andrew. She told filmmakers she first met the crew more than 20 years ago.

“Clinton was definitely very close to Jeffrey,” Hervey said. “I don’t know if you saw the paintings that were in Jeffrey Epstein’s house, one of them being a portrait of Bill Clinton wearing the dress that Monica Lewinsky wore when they had the affair.

“So yeah, he was super close to Jeffrey Epstein. They were like brothers, you know, and he was close to Ghislaine as well.”
To the Max. Lady Victoria Hervey and Ghislaine Maxwell. GETTY IMAGES
To the Max. Lady Victoria Hervey and Ghislaine Maxwell. GETTY IMAGES

Convicted sex trafficker Maxwell, 60, now facing down a potential 60-year sentence in the slammer, was even a guest at daughter Chelsea Clinton’s wedding in 2010.
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Bill Clinton and his representatives have denied he was ever close to Epstein, who died mysteriously in a Manhattan jail cell in 2019 while awaiting trial for sex trafficking.

The documentary is the latest salvo against Andrew’s tattered reputation. He faces a civil lawsuit in New York this fall that was filed by former Epstein sex slave Virginia Roberts. She claims the prince sexually assaulted her on three occasions when she was underage.

Andrew has denied any wrongdoing. Still, his title drew both Epstein and Clinton to the prince like moths to a flame.

“Prince Andrew was the son of the Queen of England. Americans love that. Jeffery loved that. Bill Clinton loved that,” Hervey said, alleging Maxwell was used as bait to entertain Epstein’s pal.
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Buddy, buddy. Andrew stuck by convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, right.
Buddy, buddy. Andrew stuck by convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, right. Photo by SCREENSHOT /NEW YORK POST

“(Epstein) sat back and waited for her to go fishing and find however many girls were needed to entertain his friends,” Hervey said. “Jeffrey was really the frontman and Ghislaine was the accomplice.

“You know, it was kind of like a Batman and Robin and they were a double act. I don’t think Jeffrey could have done any of it without Ghislaine.”

She added: “You know, looking back at, you know I was really young and naive, and she’s entertaining these, you know, big businessmen. So I didn’t realize it of course at the time, but looking back…”
“Batman and Robin”. Jeffrey Epstein, from left, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew are pictured in file photos.
“Batman and Robin”. Jeffrey Epstein, from left, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew are pictured in file photos. Photo by File photos /Getty Images

On a British breakfast television program Wednesday, Hervey said she believed Maxwell was also a victim.

“She is a scapegoat right now, so unfortunately for her, she is being taken down for what he has done as well. Some might argue is not quite as fair as it could be,” Hervey told the Lorraine show.

“I mean, to be honest, I think Ghislaine was a victim and is a victim. She was a victim that then became the accomplice as her role changed in that relationship when they were no longer together. She kind of switched sides. I do see her as a victim as well.”

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Ghislaine Maxwell formally requests new trial over concerns about juror

Concerns have been raised that he did not disclose his abuse as a child during pretrial screening.

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An undated photo shows Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The photo was entered into evidence by the U.S. Attorney's Office on Dec. 7, 2021 during the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, the Jeffrey Epstein associate accused of sex trafficking, in New York City.
An undated photo shows Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The photo was entered into evidence by the U.S. Attorney's Office on Dec. 7, 2021 during the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, the Jeffrey Epstein associate accused of sex trafficking, in New York City. Photo by HANDOUT /VIA REUTERS
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NEW YORK — Ghislaine Maxwell’s lawyers late on Wednesday formally asked for a new trial after the British socialite’s lawyers raised concern about a juror’s possible failure to disclose before the trial that he was sexually abused as a child.
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Maxwell, 60, was convicted on Dec. 29 on five counts of sex trafficking and other crimes for recruiting and grooming teenage girls to have sexual encounters with the late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell faces up to 65 years in prison.

“Today, counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell filed her motion for a new trial,” her defense lawyer, Bobbi C. Sternheim, said in a letter to U.S. District Judge Alison J. Nathan.

In the letter, Sternheim asked that all submissions pertaining to “Juror No. 50” remain under seal until the court rules on the motion.

Maxwell’s lawyers said this month there were “incontrovertible grounds” for a new trial after a juror, who asked to be identified by his first and middle names, Scotty David, told Reuters and other news media that he described being abused as a child during jury deliberations.
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The next day Maxwell’s lawyer wrote to the judge seeking a new trial and New York attorney Todd Spodek filed an appearance in Maxwell’s case on behalf of Juror No. 50. Spodek did not respond to a request for comment and has not disclosed his client’s name in the Maxwell case.

Concerns have been raised that Scotty David did not disclose his abuse during pretrial screening.

Prospective jurors were asked in a questionnaire whether they had ever been a victim of sexual abuse. Scotty David told Reuters he did not remember the question, but that he would have answered honestly.

Prosecutors, who have requested that U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan conduct an inquiry into the juror’s statements, will have until Feb. 2 to respond to Maxwell’s motion.

Legal experts told Reuters that Maxwell would not be guaranteed a new trial even if the juror did not disclose his abuse on the questionnaire, noting that cases of juror dishonesty that led to verdicts being overturned generally involved jurors who deliberately lied in order to be selected.

Nathan last week scheduled Maxwell’s sentencing hearing for June 28.

Epstein killed himself in 2019 at the age of 66 in a Manhattan jail cell while awaiting trial on sex abuse charges.