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AnnaG

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Got a better idea than repay:

Debt $12.8 Trillion
Freddie/Fannie debt $6.3 Trillion
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$19, 100,000,000,000

Not including unfunded liabilities of around $60 Trillion

Got any better ideas to come up with almost $80 TRILLION than kill those you owe?
The US owes Iran?

Um, BTW, the amount that the USA owes to FOREIGN creditors is only about $3.5 trillion.

I can't believe I actually said "only $3.5 trillion".

AnnaG, to answer your question, China is now Iran's single biggest petroleum market.
oh, ok.
 

AnnaG

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AnnaG, it's hard to keep up with your editing/submitting/editing/submitting/editing.....

Make up your mind, already!!
I just keep adding stuff. Keep up already!
Oh, I forgot ... you're old and doddering. lmao Ok I will s l o w d o w n.
 

petros

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The US owes Iran?

The US owes China

Um, BTW, the amount that the USA owes to FOREIGN creditors is only about $3.5 trillion.

Who else is there to borrow from other than foreign creditors so back up to $6.3 she goes. Treasury bonds are still liabilities to foreign investors and are debt just like loans

I can't believe I actually said "only $3.5 trillion".

You are correrct $3.5 of $80T is still an only.
 

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North Korea and Iran need some serious social discipline. Particularly Iran being they are more interested of being the super power of the Middle East at any cost, instead of a Global Allie.
 

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Bumpy road ahead. China?s Hidden Debt Risks 2012 Crisis, Northwestern?s Shih Says - Bloomberg.com

But anyway, I won't be surprised if lead starts flying, but there are other ways to kick-start economies than spending gobs on wars.
Germany has a thing going with solar energy. Portugal with energy from ocean movement. And so on.

Me Gawd, AnnaG! You're talking about education and other kinds of investment in the economy and society. Whoda thunk?

Remember Anna, the goal here is not to create wealth, but just jobs as an end in itself. War's the best way to do that.:p

Hey, if the objective is to just create jobs regardless of whether it creates wealth or not, why not hire half of the unemployed to dig holes and the other half to fill them? I'm sure they might feel a little offended at society wasting their potential like that, but hey. It would create jobs. Can't deny that. As for contributing tot he GDP, ah well. Details, schmetails. At least we'll have created plenty o' jobs.

I can hear the central bank's printing presses revving up already.
 

darkbeaver

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So you are predicting a war? Why are you so bloodthirsty?

How do you get from predicting war, something that hasn't stopped for all of recorded history, to bloodthirsty, not that there's anything wrong with that, is there, I mean it is the economy of the planet. So Goldman Sachs can front weapons production and it's just good business right, but I see war coming home and I'm bloodthirsty. You may have a little cause and effect confusion there AnnaG.

War is the only way out of the massive debt the US is in.

There is no way out of debt except the cult goes down. War generates debt and demand, this is the old growth and development plan in action, creative destruction. Pull the gold into the vaults, stimulate the wars, after all you are funding all sides so you can never loose and the cannon fodder will always rally around whatever goddamn rag they pray to. This time it might be a little different though. The USA has been deemed expendable and they will be expended fighting for the bankers, ask Adolph how it goes.:lol:

Me Gawd, AnnaG! You're talking about education and other kinds of investment in the economy and society. Whoda thunk?

Remember Anna, the goal here is not to create wealth, but just jobs as an end in itself. War's the best way to do that.:p

Hey, if the objective is to just create jobs regardless of whether it creates wealth or not, why not hire half of the unemployed to dig holes and the other half to fill them? I'm sure they might feel a little offended at society wasting their potential like that, but hey. It would create jobs. Can't deny that. As for contributing tot he GDP, ah well. Details, schmetails. At least we'll have created plenty o' jobs.

I can hear the central bank's printing presses revving up already.

Hyper inflation they say, whoopie, where's my uniform?
 

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That Aircraft Carrier is an awfully big target with a lot of people on it. The Iranians do have homing torpedoes. Do the crazies currently running Iran have the discipline not to do something stupid

It is a big target but consider the two opposing navies.
 

petros

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How do you get from predicting war, something that hasn't stopped for all of recorded history, to bloodthirsty, not that there's anything wrong with that, is there, I mean it is the economy of the planet. So Goldman Sachs can front weapons production and it's just good business right, but I see war coming home and I'm bloodthirsty. You may have a little cause and effect confusion there AnnaG.



There is no way out of debt except the cult goes down. War generates debt and demand, this is the old growth and development plan in action, creative destruction. Pull the gold into the vaults, stimulate the wars, after all you are funding all sides so you can never loose and the cannon fodder will always rally around whatever goddamn rag they pray to. This time it might be a little different though. The USA has been deemed expendable and they will be expended fighting for the bankers, ask Adolph how it goes.:lol:



Hyper inflation they say, whoopie, where's my uniform?
Hyper inflation already happened now comes the effects of inflation...high prices which only give the illusion of market gains but it's pure financial suicide.

As for the cult. They are Maoists already in the Western leasdership but the voter hasn't quite caught on yet and is going to stunned when the RMB unhitches from the USD and goes 10X the value and everyones pay cheque comes from Shanghai.
 

darkbeaver

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The cult built the west from day one, Greece, Rome, Babylon, every city every state every empire bar the few, very old game, same old people, very interesting book The Babylonian Woe , really makes sense of our civilization (in name only) and why it sucks big time right now, turns out it's the gold merchants, who'da ever thought that eh. Built to fail, failed to be built again and again to fail again and again, war is the sweetest business ever cooked.
 

AnnaG

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Me Gawd, AnnaG! You're talking about education and other kinds of investment in the economy and society. Whoda thunk?

Remember Anna, the goal here is not to create wealth, but just jobs as an end in itself. War's the best way to do that.:p

Hey, if the objective is to just create jobs regardless of whether it creates wealth or not, why not hire half of the unemployed to dig holes and the other half to fill them? I'm sure they might feel a little offended at society wasting their potential like that, but hey. It would create jobs. Can't deny that. As for contributing tot he GDP, ah well. Details, schmetails. At least we'll have created plenty o' jobs.
Aaaahhh the BC Dipper ideology..... gov't make work projects. It doesn't work that way in Germany because the gov't only aided the start of an industry or two and companies are taking over. :)

I can hear the central bank's printing presses revving up already.
lol

How do you get from predicting war, something that hasn't stopped for all of recorded history, to bloodthirsty, not that there's anything wrong with that, is there, I mean it is the economy of the planet. So Goldman Sachs can front weapons production and it's just good business right, but I see war coming home and I'm bloodthirsty. You may have a little cause and effect confusion there AnnaG.
Hey, if you can say nutty and strange things about nutty and weird ideas, so can I.

There is no way out of debt except the cult goes down. War generates debt and demand, this is the old growth and development plan in action, creative destruction. Pull the gold into the vaults, stimulate the wars, after all you are funding all sides so you can never loose and the cannon fodder will always rally around whatever goddamn rag they pray to. This time it might be a little different though. The USA has been deemed expendable and they will be expended fighting for the bankers, ask Adolph how it goes.:lol:

Hyper inflation they say, whoopie, where's my uniform?
Woot! Crank up those wars, yippeeee. I'm gonna do that in a few minutes myself. I have a war going on with foodstuffs. I win so I get to eat the plunder.

It is a big target but consider the two opposing navies.
Yeah. I have a sneaky suspicion judging by the little buddies the flat-top has around it, no torpedo would get close to it, anyway.
 

Machjo

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Aaaahhh the BC Dipper ideology..... gov't make work projects. It doesn't work that way in Germany because the gov't only aided the start of an industry or two and companies are taking over. :)

Don't you just love standing between a conservative rock that wants to create make-work jobs though war and a socialist hard place that wants to create make-work jobs through 'arts spending'.

Where's the party that will just educate the unemployed so that they can then find their own jobs. For example, teach them how to build solar cells and then let the private sector take over. The private sector informs the government of where it has skills shortages,and the government educates the unemployed in those skills. Sounds more or less like what they try to do in Europe. Just deal with the causes of unemployment at the root.

But hay, great wars are much more heroic and and arts spending is so much more civilized.

Anyway, tea time. Ta for now.


Don't laugh; it's true. Wars ain't free an guns don't grow on trees. You'd think the Conservative Party of Canada, the guarantor of fiscally conservative government, would have understood that.
 

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That Aircraft Carrier is an awfully big target with a lot of people on it. The Iranians do have homing torpedoes. Do the crazies currently running Iran have the discipline not to do something stupid
Once any foreign piece of military equipment crossed the border they would be crazy not to unload both barrels and reload and fire for as long as humanly possible.
Think the invasion investigation will even get $1M? lol Wonder what countries they will buy their replacement war machines from. North America will have to deal with a diesel shortage and once the trucks are parked the whole economy is in the toilet, including the companies that make parts for the military.

Perhaps they should park those war machines in front of the world bank, the one that has upwards of $200T and the whole world is still digging themselves deeper in debt daily. Currently all public and private debt is .........

Debt - external:
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$56.9 trillion (31 December 2009 est.)
$60.83 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
note: this figure is the sum total of all countries' external debt, both public and private


The total assets of the Rothschild financial empire now surpass 165 Trillion Pounds Sterling.


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It would appear there is only one reason the world is in debt, attacking Iran is not going to fix that. All wars do is make the empire richer faster. The world could demand a interest free loan for almost $250T, what are they going to do, say no? lol They have held onto power via keeping the Nations in constant turmoil, they would fold like a 4 card flush.
 

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Gunboat diplomacy. One of the historical favourite intimidation tactics of the USA. Nothing will come of it. Obama is not about to pull a "Bush."