Nuremberg Trials or Nuremberg Lynch Mob

[Corduroy]

Another attempt to twist criticism of Zionist crimes against humanity into being about criticism of Jews.

I never attempted to equate the two. But if yousay they aren't the same, and your criticism of Zionism has nothing to do with criticism of Jews, why are you bringing up Zionism in a thread not about Zionism?

What's the connection? This thread is about the Jewish deaths in the Holocaust. It's you who has made the connection between Jews and Zionism in this thread.

 

[earth_as_one]

some quotes from this thread:

Germany's wartime treatment of the Jews figured prominently in the Nuremberg trials. In their condemnation of the defendants, the Allies gave special emphasis to the alleged extermination of six million European Jews.

The fact remains that when the smoke cleared, there were approximately 5.7 million Jews missing from Nazi-occupied Europe.

The simple fact is that the most respected historians on earth agree that there were close to six million Jews murdered by the Germans

Auschwitz 1.4 million deaths X 85% or 1.2 million Jews
Treblinka 870,000 deaths X 85% or 740,000 Jews
Belzek 600,000 deaths X 85% or 510,000 Jews
Jasenovak 600,000 deaths X 85% or (Few Jews)
Chelmno 320,000 deaths X 85% or 272,000 Jews
Majdanek 360,000 deaths X 85% or 306,000 Jews
Sobibor 250,000 deaths X 85% or 212,000 Jews

.the Germans murdered millions of Jews.

finally wulfie made this observation:
the Nazis murdered Jews, as well as homosexuals, communists, trade union organizers, as well as anyone else who might have disagreed with them. There is historical record of the Brown Shirts in the '30s using physical intimidation tactics on political opponents. There is no disputing that the Nazis murdered millions of people (the irony is they probably murdered more Slavs in eastern Europe, whom they also considered "untermensch" or sub human, like the Jews but we always seem to fixate on the Jews...

Which begs the question "Why?"

I also posted about our WW II criminals, our recent war criminals, one of whom won re-election in the US after he committed his crimes and I gave my opinion regarding why the Holocaust has become more commonly perceived as a crime against Jews than a crime against humanity. The current relevancy of the Holocaust is as a means to stifle criticism of ongoing Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity.

It looks like my last point struck a nerve with those who support Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity.

 

[EagleSmack]

Another attempt to twist criticism of Zionist crimes against humanity into being about criticism of Jews.

What the Nazis did (past tense) to Jews and other groups is different from what the Ottomans did (past tense) to the Armenians, what the White Supremists did in Apartheid Soth Africa, what the Hutus did to the Tutsis and what Zionists do (present tense) to non-Jews in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. But they all share a common theme of people classification and discrimination which led to mass human suffering. No it isn't exactly the same, but I imagine holocaust survivors would recognize Gaza's walls, razor wire and guard towers. The Jews who fought against the Nazis during the Warsaw uprising have far more in common with Gazans than the IDF...

So Israel has concentration camps and they gas the Palestinians? There are Rail Cars full of bodies?

 

[earth_as_one]

I never attempted to equate the two. But if yousay they aren't the same, and your criticism of Zionism has nothing to do with criticism of Jews, why are you bringing up Zionism in a thread not about Zionism?

What's the connection? This thread is about the Jewish deaths in the Holocaust. It's you who has made the connection between Jews and Zionism in this thread.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

IMO, the Holocaust is an important historical event. Standing up today and speaking out against this historical atrocity makes little difference to dead holocaust victims or reduce human suffering.

 

[MHz]

The Japanese were tried seperately you moron!

International Military Tribunal for the Far East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the update, ......... on who I am. Why not link all your other posts or is this the only one that can be verified.

 

[earth_as_one]

So Israel has concentration camps and they gas the Palestinians? There are Rail Cars full of bodies?

Concentration camps are different than death camps. Gaza today has more in common with a Nazi concentration camps than Nazi death camps. So do a few other Palestinian areas in the West Bank which are also surrounded by walls, razor wire and guard towers. Imagine passing your entire life from birth until death in a prison because of who you aren't rather than what you did.

Eventually the Nazis decided to exterminate their undesirables. But in the beginning they classified people in order to assign/restrict rights and freedoms just like Zionists do now. Later the Nazis expropriated the property of their undesirables, just like Zionists do now.

IMO, we should not be silent regarding extreme discrimination in any form. Maybe if Germans started speaking out against what the Nazis were doing in the 1930's when they were "just" denying people's rights and expropriating their property, it might have prevented the Holocaust and death camps.

I disagree with waiting until Zionists impose their final solution on their undesirables before speaking out.

What's going on in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories isn't the same as what the Nazis did, or the White Supremacists in Apartheid South Africa did to blacks or what the Hutus did to the Tutsis. IMO, it doesn't it have to be exactly the same to be a war crime or a crime against humanity.

The lesson of the Holocaust is that if you are aware of an atrocity you speak out against it, not express unshakable support for the war criminals responsible as Harper has on behalf of all Canadians.

 

[ironsides]

some quotes from this thread:

Germany's wartime treatment of the Jews figured prominently in the Nuremberg trials. In their condemnation of the defendants, the Allies gave special emphasis to the alleged extermination of six million European Jews.

The fact remains that when the smoke cleared, there were approximately 5.7 million Jews missing from Nazi-occupied Europe.

The simple fact is that the most respected historians on earth agree that there were close to six million Jews murdered by the Germans

Auschwitz 1.4 million deaths X 85% or 1.2 million Jews
Treblinka 870,000 deaths X 85% or 740,000 Jews
Belzek 600,000 deaths X 85% or 510,000 Jews
Jasenovak 600,000 deaths X 85% or (Few Jews)
Chelmno 320,000 deaths X 85% or 272,000 Jews
Majdanek 360,000 deaths X 85% or 306,000 Jews
Sobibor 250,000 deaths X 85% or 212,000 Jews

.the Germans murdered millions of Jews.

finally wulfie made this observation:
the Nazis murdered Jews, as well as homosexuals, communists, trade union organizers, as well as anyone else who might have disagreed with them. There is historical record of the Brown Shirts in the '30s using physical intimidation tactics on political opponents. There is no disputing that the Nazis murdered millions of people (the irony is they probably murdered more Slavs in eastern Europe, whom they also considered "untermensch" or sub human, like the Jews but we always seem to fixate on the Jews...

Which begs the question "Why?"

I also posted about our WW II criminals, our recent war criminals, one of whom won re-election in the US after he committed his crimes and I gave my opinion regarding why the Holocaust has become more commonly perceived as a crime against Jews than a crime against humanity. The current relevancy of the Holocaust is as a means to stifle criticism of ongoing Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity.

It looks like my last point struck a nerve with those who support Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity.

"It looks like my last point struck a nerve with those who support Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity"

Zionist mentioned by you again.

 

[Colpy]

Concentration camps are different than death camps. Gaza today has more in common with a Nazi concentration camps than Nazi death camps. So do a few other Palestinian areas in the West Bank which are also surrounded by walls, razor wire and guard towers. Imagine passing your entire life from birth until death in a prison because of who you aren't rather than what you did.

Eventually the Nazis decided to exterminate their undesirables. But in the beginning they classified people in order to assign/restrict rights and freedoms just like Zionists do now. Later the Nazis expropriated the property of their undesirables, just like Zionists do now.

IMO, we should not be silent regarding extreme discrimination in any form. Maybe if Germans started speaking out against what the Nazis were doing in the 1930's when they were "just" denying people's rights and expropriating their property, it might have prevented the Holocaust and death camps.

I disagree with waiting until Zionists impose their final solution on their undesirables before speaking out.

What's going on in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories isn't the same as what the Nazis did, or the White Supremacists in Apartheid South Africa did to blacks or what the Hutus did to the Tutsis. IMO, it doesn't it have to be exactly the same to be a war crime or a crime against humanity.

The lesson of the Holocaust is that if you are aware of an atrocity you speak out against it, not express unshakable support for the war criminals responsible.

So I guess the life expectancy of a Jew in a concentration camp was 73.9 years, huh????

 

[CDNBear]

According to the local Joo Haters, Zionist = Israeli = Jew

That is all.

 

[MHz]

So I guess the life expectancy of a Jew in a concentration camp was 73.9 years, huh????

Are you looking for some pics of why Iraq will have many children that will die before they are 73.9 days old?

 

[earth_as_one]

We are human beings first and anything else is at best a secondary characteristic. As long as there remains any confusion about this, various forms of discrimination will arise and bedevil us. As long as we identify ourselves primarily in some tribal fashion, whether it's based on nationality, ethnicity, religion, gender or any parochial and exclusionary manner, then confusion and conflict will reign supreme. We will only overcome extreme discrimination when it is universally understood that We refers to all of us. Both Zionism and Nazism are extreme versions of the concept of "us" and "them" in order to take away rights and freedoms from one group and create an entitlement or birthright for another.

In the meantime, silence is still complicity.

 

[lone wolf]

Zionist = Israeli = Jew

That is all.

What do you have against Jewish people?

ETA.... Nice fix!

 

[CDNBear]

In the meantime, silence is still complicity.

And hate is still hate.

You should work on that.

What do you have against Jewish people?

Against this Jewish person...

Hopefully my groin!

ETA.... Nice fix!

Ya caught that did ya. I almost joined the haters there eh?

 

[MHz]

Apparently nothing, unless they were behind the lies that the trials were, as it is, it looks like the US was getting their orders straight from the Rothschild bankers about that time, but then reading the thread would have answered your question, so buck and do some of your own legwork.

 

[CDNBear]

Apparently nothing, unless they were behind the lies that the trials were, as it is, it looks like the US was getting their orders straight from the Rothschild bankers about that time, but then reading the thread would have answered your question, so buck and do some of your own legwork.

Have you stopped taking your meds?

Seriously!

 

[damngrumpy]

I am surprised the Allies bothered wasting money on trials at all, remember I said the Germans
declared unconditional war and the end of hostilities didn't actually provide for trials at all as the
final document was Unconditional Surrender. In my view they should have taken the high command
and senior politicians out and shot them. The reason they didn't is they needed them in the
possible additional conflict with the Soviet Union once the war was over, which of course never happened.

The Red Cross didn't report very much it is true, but then most of the Red Cross saw only what the
Nazis wanted them to see, and one senior Swedish Official actually disappeared just before the end of the
war, his name I can't recall but I remember it from history. Remember the Red Cross like the Catholic
Church, could not be counted on for a lot of things.

No one on God's Green Earth can tell me the camps did not exist, I remember as a teenager, our family
owned a Motel in the Okanagan, we had some people,, actually three families that came they were still
sporting their tattoos courtesy of the Nazi Regime. Yes they were survivors of the death camps and only
by the German Surrender did their lives get spared. People can spew all the nonsense they want it does
not change the fact that there were camps and crimes and murder. The Allies were more than generous
in giving these animals a trial in the first place. All this mistakes were made is nonsense justice was
dispensed and it should have been much more severe in my opinion.

 

[Colpy]

I am surprised the Allies bothered wasting money on trials at all, remember I said the Germans
declared unconditional war and the end of hostilities didn't actually provide for trials at all as the
final document was Unconditional Surrender. In my view they should have taken the high command
and senior politicians out and shot them. The reason they didn't is they needed them in the
possible additional conflict with the Soviet Union once the war was over, which of course never happened.

The Red Cross didn't report very much it is true, but then most of the Red Cross saw only what the
Nazis wanted them to see, and one senior Swedish Official actually disappeared just before the end of the
war, his name I can't recall but I remember it from history. Remember the Red Cross like the Catholic
Church, could not be counted on for a lot of things.

No one on God's Green Earth can tell me the camps did not exist, I remember as a teenager, our family
owned a Motel in the Okanagan, we had some people,, actually three families that came they were still
sporting their tattoos courtesy of the Nazi Regime. Yes they were survivors of the death camps and only
by the German Surrender did their lives get spared. People can spew all the nonsense they want it does
not change the fact that there were camps and crimes and murder. The Allies were more than generous
in giving these animals a trial in the first place. All this mistakes were made is nonsense justice was
dispensed and it should have been much more severe in my opinion.

Raoul Wallenberg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

 

[MHz]

The Red Cross didn't report very much it is true, but then most of the Red Cross saw only what the
Nazis wanted them to see, and one senior Swedish Official actually disappeared just before the end of the
war, his name I can't recall but I remember it from history. Remember the Red Cross like the Catholic
Church, could not be counted on for a lot of things.

Obviously you read post #35 about the Red Cross, educate me, what are the errors in that post?
Feel free to take on any part of the source document as not all has been posted, especially on the various trials.

The Allies were more than generous in giving these animals a trial in the first place. All this mistakes were made is nonsense justice was dispensed and it should have been much more severe in my opinion.

The vast majority of the ones you say should have been shot (how very Nazi-like of you BTW, prison is quite fine) ended up working for the US Government's CIA. No words about that act?

 

[darkbeaver]

The age of information, isn't it great, you don't have to believe what a church like Israel tells you, it's the twenty first century, what hollowcost was that you were talking about, oh yeah Nuremberg, a trial of staked goats. Church of Israel fanatics will tell you any rot that passes through their jellow bowl.

 

[Corduroy]

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

IMO, the Holocaust is an important historical event. Standing up today and speaking out against this historical atrocity makes little difference to dead holocaust victims or reduce human suffering.

No one's asking you to speak up against the Holocaust. We're saying that your insistence on distracting the discussion of this historical event with your anti-Zionist agenda is suspiciously indicative of an underlying paranoid psychosis. You have imaginary enemies and they seem to be related to Jews in some form or another.