When you hide many of the ones who should have been on trial (SS Officers) that puts the whole affair as being corrupt on that point alone.
Nuremberg Trials or Nuremberg Lynch Mob
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At present it is more of why did so many SS troops get a pay increase after they were saved from certain execution. Who was it that had sympathy for the SS after the extent of the 'crimes' were made known. How many actually paid with their lifes, surprisoingly few considering the magnitude of the crimes listed.
Well Jack that is the popular opinion all right, 6 million in the Ukraine were simply starved to death and who shed any tears for them, eh? Your post is a perfect example of why I could never fully support the 'trials', nobody was in the docket over Dresden. The only war crime there ever is is called losing. The civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places take a **** kicking by the invaders, but a little bit of resistance will wear the out and eventually the cost will be more than the war can support. People weren't the first things to be protected for 9/11, it was the money tree. Do you know how many potential Holocaust witnesses (100.000"s) were disposed of in that single operation, there were refugees from all over and they would have known all the dirty little secrets.
The WWII Dresden Holocaust - 'A Single Column Of Flame'
The WWII Dresden Holocaust - 'A Single Column Of Flame'
What neutral countries would you be talking about Sweden and Switzerland, both largely Nazi sympathizers during the war. Now again you resort to off the wall statements when your left wing arguments begin to falter. Comparing what President Bush did to what Hitler and his henchman did totally idiotic. There was no international court when WW-2 ended, just us allies. The Nazis were tried and convicted of war crimes against the world as well as individual ethnic groups. Nuremberg when you think about it was a world court.
I also remember reading something about the RCC also being part of an escape rout to South America for some that wanted to get out of Dodge before the Sheriff and his Deputies arrived.
That replacement court hasn't been terribly busy once they took over, too bad that is by design.
That replacement court hasn't been terribly busy once they took over, too bad that is by design.
Well, the Nazis went rolling through the Soviet Union killing, raping and pillaging as they went. Who did they think they were doing that too, Belgians?
Once again, the Nazi apologists come out. Let's post Internet Links folks, not opinions.
Yet that is what this fools whole piece is, an opinion.
I recommend that the author of this thread actually read the transcripts of the Military Tribunal. They are available at the Library of Congress and many other repositories.
The evidence against the defendants was massive. Tens of thousands of documents, photo's, movie films, all of which proved that the holocaust happened, and that it was directed from above.
Court transcripts of the "Kangaroo Courts" the Nazi's set up, condemning the mentally retarded, the mentally ill, the physically disabled to be murdered.
This "person" (and I use that term in the loosest possible connection to whatever this author is) appears to believe that those millions of Jews all just committed suicide. Of course, the fact that many Nazi leaders just HAPPENED to end up owning the homes, the art works, the vehicles, the household goods, etc. that had belonged to Jewish families pre-war meant nothing. We all know that the Jews simply abandoned everything, including their eyeglasses, their underwear, their shoes, their hair and their teeth when they disappeared somewhere in the world.
The fact that ons of those materials, including passports and ID cards by the hundreds of thousands just HAPPENED to turn up at extermination camps was a mere coincidence.
And the films of the prisoners, the starved and sick prisoners of those camps were all Hollywood makeup, right? The allies faked all of that.
And, the testimony of the people that had been in those camps was all lies too.
Up until the Nazi's took over in Germany, there had never been a systematic attempt by any government to literally extinguish various ethnic/religious groups from the face of the earth. Yes, there had been pogroms on local levels, but never a systematic campaign, all over the portions of Europe controlled by the Nazi's, to round up every Jew, every Gypsy, every Homosexual, every Seventh Day Adventist, and so on and so on. There had been no systematic effort to ship all of those people that had been rounded up to a very few camps.
And just were did those millions of people go? They found mass graves at virtually every camp. All of them had crematories, massive crematories capable of dealing with hundreds of bodies at a time (each camp had greater facilities to consume bodies than Berlin, Paris and London combined had). What were such massive crematories used for?
Where did 6,000,000 Jews, and some 7,000,000 Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals, physically and mentally disabled, religious leaders, members of specific religious groups, etc. all go to? None of them could be found anywhere in the world after the war.
And, to rebut the concept that the Nurnberg trials were a "Lynch Mob", I would point out that several of the most prominent people tried by the Military Tribunal were found to be innocent, and several others served prison terms instead of being sentenced to death. Rudolph Hess and Albert Speer are just two that were not hung
I have been to those camps. I have spoken with Germans that served at those camps. they existed for one thing, and one thing only, to eliminate people from this earth.
Every high ranking Nazi should have just been shot upon capture. But we gave them a chance to defend their actions and their choices.
Yet that is what this fools whole piece is, an opinion.
I recommend that the author of this thread actually read the transcripts of the Military Tribunal. They are available at the Library of Congress and many other repositories.
The evidence against the defendants was massive. Tens of thousands of documents, photo's, movie films, all of which proved that the holocaust happened, and that it was directed from above.
Court transcripts of the "Kangaroo Courts" the Nazi's set up, condemning the mentally retarded, the mentally ill, the physically disabled to be murdered.
This "person" (and I use that term in the loosest possible connection to whatever this author is) appears to believe that those millions of Jews all just committed suicide. Of course, the fact that many Nazi leaders just HAPPENED to end up owning the homes, the art works, the vehicles, the household goods, etc. that had belonged to Jewish families pre-war meant nothing. We all know that the Jews simply abandoned everything, including their eyeglasses, their underwear, their shoes, their hair and their teeth when they disappeared somewhere in the world.
The fact that ons of those materials, including passports and ID cards by the hundreds of thousands just HAPPENED to turn up at extermination camps was a mere coincidence.
And the films of the prisoners, the starved and sick prisoners of those camps were all Hollywood makeup, right? The allies faked all of that.
And, the testimony of the people that had been in those camps was all lies too.
Up until the Nazi's took over in Germany, there had never been a systematic attempt by any government to literally extinguish various ethnic/religious groups from the face of the earth. Yes, there had been pogroms on local levels, but never a systematic campaign, all over the portions of Europe controlled by the Nazi's, to round up every Jew, every Gypsy, every Homosexual, every Seventh Day Adventist, and so on and so on. There had been no systematic effort to ship all of those people that had been rounded up to a very few camps.
And just were did those millions of people go? They found mass graves at virtually every camp. All of them had crematories, massive crematories capable of dealing with hundreds of bodies at a time (each camp had greater facilities to consume bodies than Berlin, Paris and London combined had). What were such massive crematories used for?
Where did 6,000,000 Jews, and some 7,000,000 Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals, physically and mentally disabled, religious leaders, members of specific religious groups, etc. all go to? None of them could be found anywhere in the world after the war.
And, to rebut the concept that the Nurnberg trials were a "Lynch Mob", I would point out that several of the most prominent people tried by the Military Tribunal were found to be innocent, and several others served prison terms instead of being sentenced to death. Rudolph Hess and Albert Speer are just two that were not hung
I have been to those camps. I have spoken with Germans that served at those camps. they existed for one thing, and one thing only, to eliminate people from this earth.
Every high ranking Nazi should have just been shot upon capture. But we gave them a chance to defend their actions and their choices.
Did it really take you 3 weeks to write this post??
The references that came with the linked article are referenced in 'history, rather than the gossip column.
The point of the link was it gave some instances where the 'verdicts' were overturned and to be quite frank for the magnitude of the crimes very few were even tried. Many more were taken in by the US or escaped to various parts of South America. The richest ones basically. Nobody seems to be (too) upset about that.
Are you trying to paint those trials as being 'flawless' rather than more like the description in the link below?
Nuremberg Was Not a Fair Trial
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In the planning and discussion regarding war crimes done prior to the Allied victory, Churchill and the British consistently took the position that Nazi leaders, once identified, should simply be shot without benefit of trial. The American view, however, prevailed, that an evidentiary hearing, presided over by impartial judges, was called for.
As two centuries of American jurisprudence prove, justice is hard enough to achieve domestically, despite our Constitution with its guarantees of due process and other limits on the rights of the state acting against a defendant. Politics, which co-exists as a realm within states along with law and the executive, is the sole existing realm in international affairs; international politics, especially when it shades over into war, involves values the opposite of those we cherish in domestic affairs, and especially lauds force and fraud in wartime.
Nuremberg did not successfully solve the problem of how to conduct a fair trial in an international tribunal. In general, it was what we in the computer industry call a "kluge", a ramshackle solution tacked together in a hurry, with a lack of process and a fundamental lack of agreement among the judges and prosecutors of different nations as to how they ought to conduct themselves.
Those weren't necessarily Jews
How many million was that? A vid by a Jew indicates 1/3 may be missing, what are the exact 'facts' he has wrong and what is the proof, rather than it being based on an 'opinion'?
YouTube - One Third of the Holocaust pt.1a
Those were collected at the front gate, the ones sent to work camps (or just survived in the same camp for long periods of time) did not get to keep their wallets and such. What happened to the other 5,900,000 ?
I've seen some of the original footage, most of the time they were moving bodies by hand, two to a body.
Are you going to claim that in all the 'authorized books' not errors or exaggerations were made?? If so what errors did the vid linked above make as he mentions several well known 'experts' as giving false statements.
Face of the earth??? Germany was going to conquer the world ??? Obviously you are here to make any statement regardless of how far it is from the 'facts'.
The vid gives some alternatives.
They did did they, why no huge piles of teeth?
Good question, Explain to me why Jews in Europe suddenly had a population explosion for 50 years when the rest of the world was really just barely making ends meet. (the data is from a Jewish site, the graph is not.
World Population Since Creation
My point is many more were given santuary than stood trial. not all verdicts were upheld either, that means it was a sloppy trial.
From this earth? I really think you are overstating things for no other reason than increasing the 'drama' effect.
Depending on who 'we' is, .... the 'worst' were give a raise in pay and social status. (from SS officer to CIA adviser) That is the main part that makes the trials a mockery.
I'm a tad confused also, .... I realize certain aspects of WWII cause people to react more than some other subjects but if (the recent past) history holds some ****ty parts then if those thing that were the end result are to be avoided then the 'facts' can't be whitewashed. If that is not available (and it is as easy to find as looking through youtube) If the sequence that let Germany fall into a state where the 'public' had to be manipulated then knowing how that was done behind the scenes should eliminate the same deception from being used again. Don't forget many of the ones who were in on the ground floor of the planning and execution of the deceptions were taken over to the US, The Soviets got the paperwork so they were not left in the dark and it is more likely than not that they were willing participants in the 'Cold War' as it gave the Elite absolute power to do what they wanted and the masses could be kept at just above starvation levels.
Having questions should be a good thing, yet your question has the answer (for you) somewhere in those many short vids that say the camps did not operate as promoted by some. Why do you (and some others) have to 'add' to it to say it means they never existed at all, all (your version) or nothing at all? If the 'nuthole' is the author of the vid then watch the vid and remain quiet or watch the vid and then say you agree/disagree with a point made in a specific part of the vid. Is that so hard to do, ...... actually that does seem to be beyond the ability of most people.
Is this subject all that important to me, not really or I would have be looking for new info on the subject. Assuming the History Channel is somewhat non biased I watched a 4 part series about the rise and fall of Hitler (just a few days ago) and part 1 was from the end of WWI until 1933. I took that to be quite accurate and a few parts would be worth further investigation (but really why bother doing that here, it just draws people like you). Like where did all the money come from to 'go industrial', that part is barely touched on and it is a shell game. Part 2 should have picked up at 1933 and from there I found I had more questions than answers, I was really hoping to get another opinion of why the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933, that part was totally missing, not one word about it, their version had Germany rounding Jews up that early and it conflicts with other opinions that 'exist', only one version is the correct one. Since they refused to cover that certain important event then the 'other' version's reason for that boycott has to at least be considered and it can be traced by the info in part 1. The massive debt was 'manipulated' to be both reduced and cash was made available. The shell part was the money came from American Banks but they are only 'charter banks' of the Rothschild Cartel. Again what would be the point of trying to discuss that here?
As far as I'm concerned any aid given (from Canadian Tax-Payers) for easement of persecution should be going to the First Nations before it goes to Europe/Mid-East. As damages caused by the Church and State over the course of 100 years or so, long before and after both World Wars. I don't expect to see that happen any time soon although there is a slight move to call it a holocaust and that doesn't stress me out at all.
Now wouldn't have watching the vid have been easier?
Having questions should be a good thing, yet your question has the answer (for you) somewhere in those many short vids that say the camps did not operate as promoted by some. Why do you (and some others) have to 'add' to it to say it means they never existed at all, all (your version) or nothing at all? If the 'nuthole' is the author of the vid then watch the vid and remain quiet or watch the vid and then say you agree/disagree with a point made in a specific part of the vid. Is that so hard to do, ...... actually that does seem to be beyond the ability of most people.
Is this subject all that important to me, not really or I would have be looking for new info on the subject. Assuming the History Channel is somewhat non biased I watched a 4 part series about the rise and fall of Hitler (just a few days ago) and part 1 was from the end of WWI until 1933. I took that to be quite accurate and a few parts would be worth further investigation (but really why bother doing that here, it just draws people like you). Like where did all the money come from to 'go industrial', that part is barely touched on and it is a shell game. Part 2 should have picked up at 1933 and from there I found I had more questions than answers, I was really hoping to get another opinion of why the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933, that part was totally missing, not one word about it, their version had Germany rounding Jews up that early and it conflicts with other opinions that 'exist', only one version is the correct one. Since they refused to cover that certain important event then the 'other' version's reason for that boycott has to at least be considered and it can be traced by the info in part 1. The massive debt was 'manipulated' to be both reduced and cash was made available. The shell part was the money came from American Banks but they are only 'charter banks' of the Rothschild Cartel. Again what would be the point of trying to discuss that here?
As far as I'm concerned any aid given (from Canadian Tax-Payers) for easement of persecution should be going to the First Nations before it goes to Europe/Mid-East. As damages caused by the Church and State over the course of 100 years or so, long before and after both World Wars. I don't expect to see that happen any time soon although there is a slight move to call it a holocaust and that doesn't stress me out at all.
Now wouldn't have watching the vid have been easier?