NDP Menace Evaporates Under Scrutiny

[damngrumpy]

I think we are going to see some serious shift in who sits where in the new house when this is
over. Many are saying 40 to 50 seats for the NDP with the Liberals in Official Opposition status.
No the NDP will in fact pass the Liberals and the shift is going on in the next two days as the
Liberal vote is beginning to shift to the NDP in a number of riding's. The undecided vote is now
shrinking in a rapid fashion, that vote will not go to the Liberals in my opinion it will slide toward
the NDP with the Tories the other benefactor.
I believe there will be a major shift in Quebec and the NDP will take somewhere near 50 seats.
Ontario will see the split take out the Liberal machine the NDP picking up 35 seats
In the Atlantic Provinces there is a shift toward NDP and there they will take at least 7 seats
the Prairie Manitoba and Saskatchewan will see a return to the NDP somewhat 4 seats
BC will see riding's like Kamloops return to the ranks of NDP and the lower
mainland will take out several Liberals if not all and there are some Tory Riding's
including the Stockwell Day Riding in the South Okanagan go NDP in all 14 seats

Yes I think the New Democrats will take 108 to 111 seats on election night.
Conservative will take about 131 for the night
Liberals 48 to 50 seats
Bloc 6 to 8 seats

I know there are those who will say I am crazy but there is a trend setting up here and look at
where the leaders have been going in the last four days. Layton has been to Kamloops twice
and he was making the rounds in those riding's of the liberals and a couple of Tories.
Iggy has cancelled his trip to the Atlantic Provinces where they are third in the polls and sliding
in fact the Liberals are trying to shore up western Ontario and some of the suburban riding's
they are starting to trail in. The Conservatives made a short appearance in Quebec City but
have somewhat faded their as their four riding's in that city are in trouble and could go NDP
The conservatives are attacking and targeting Liberal Riding's in Ontario as they can smell
blood as well. I think the split would have favoured the Tories last week but the Liberal vote
is collapsing in Ontario somewhat and those liberal voters are going to the NDP and that could
be a game changer and real trouble for the Liberals.
Layton is going back to Quebec to target a few riding's they could take or are very close in and
he will travel the urban corridor back to Toronto all those southern Ontario riding's are ripe for
the picking as it were. So there that is my prediction as of Saturday Night and unless something
major happens tomorrow, It my prediction and I'm sticking with it.
Tory Minority NDP official opposition and Liberals a rump of their former selves and the Bloc will
be hammered as Quebecers are in the mood for change. One thing is food for thought, Harper
today didn't really answer the question, if he lost the confidence of Parliament again would he
object to the G General asking the opposition to form a government, he didn't answer straight out.
Harper is no longer looking for a majority and their polling is showing the wave of unexpected
support could well translate into one hell of a protest vote against the two old parties.

 

[Bar Sinister]

The recent Conservative noise about the NDP is too little too late. The Conservatives have been completely blind-sided by the NDP surge, and if it holds once again Steven Harper will be denied a majority. Ironically the sudden popularity of the NDP might be due in part to the success the Conservatives have had with their attacks on Michael Ignatieff. The successful discrediting the Liberal leader may have influenced many potential Liberal voters to switch to the NDP, not exactly the result the Conservatives hoped for. The Conservatives are now desperately attempting to turn their campaign cannons on the NDP, but so far they seem to be shooting blanks. Unlike Americans, most Canadians cannot be stampeded by shouts of "socialism." Indeed Canada's superior social programs are something most Canadians regard as an important difference between Canada and the US.

 

[JLM]

The recent Conservative noise about the NDP is too little too late. The Conservatives have been completely blind-sided by the NDP surge, and if it holds once again Steven Harper will be denied a majority. Ironically the sudden popularity of the NDP might be due in part to the success the Conservatives have had with their attacks on Michael Ignatieff. The successful discrediting the Liberal leader may have influenced many potential Liberal voters to switch to the NDP, not exactly the result the Conservatives hoped for. The Conservatives are now desperately attempting to turn their campaign cannons on the NDP, but so far they seem to be shooting blanks. Unlike Americans, most Canadians cannot be stampeded by shouts of "socialism." Indeed Canada's superior social programs are something most Canadians regard as an important difference between Canada and the US.

N.D.P. will steal the vast majority of their new seats from the Liberal and the Bloc- most people who have traditionally voted Conservative won't switch to N.D.P unless they are really pissed off.

 

[petros]

N.D.P. will steal the vast majority of their new seats from the Liberal and the Bloc- most people who have traditionally voted Conservative won't switch to N.D.P unless they are really pissed off.

Wanna bet on that?

 

[JLM]

Wanna bet on that?

Of course there are going to be a few that do for sure, but it will be those who are more concerned about beating someone than electing someone.

 

[lone wolf]

They got Mom and Dad.... I'm sure the Earth shook!

 

[petros]

Of course there are going to be a few that do for sure, but it will be those who are more concerned about beating someone than electing someone.

It's the seats the Cons gained from the NDP that will hurt Harpo the most when they return to NDP

 

[cranky]

Relying quebec to vote for a federal party is puerile

 

[damngrumpy]

The NDP is the symbol of change for Quebec especially. Even more important the
people are tired of being disrespected by the two old parties claiming they are the
only solution yet they don't produce results. Canada regardless of party is as a
society of dysfunction. People have decided they want change and what kind of
change? Not even Canadians know for sure. But the one thing they know for sure
is they don't want to support the Liberals at this point.
I think there are some reasons for this as well. Instead of going through the process
of serving democracy with a leadership convention and allowing for membership
participation, they merely installed a leader. There was no common touch with the
Canadian public or the party itself. The vacuum, after Dion, was compounded and
the collapse was inevitable. Liberals ran a great campaign with a book of policy and
all the trappings, its just there was no connection with voters and fell flat on its face.
Compound that with the attacks by Tories for months with no response. and you have
a recipe for disaster.
The Conservatives concentrated on the Liberals, believing the old conventional attitude
that the NDP would never be considered by Canadians at large. When the two heavy
weights began the old attack ads and vocal condemnation, Layton stayed with talking
about issues that struck a chord with voters. In addition he was able to connect with
voters in the debates and he stole the French debate and the wave began, there was an
alternative. Once the action got rolling it creates momentum of its own.
I am hearing young people talking and actually going to the polls to vote, students, and
young workers and their friends, women and working people, even farmers and some
small business people.
We are not sure yet whether the voters are issuing a warning or a judgement on the tow
old line parties. We will know Monday night, and history will be changed I believe. The
reason many don't is because they are in denial, surely people will do what they always
do won't they? I don't think so.

 

[Cliffy]

Of course there are going to be a few that do for sure, but it will be those who are more concerned about beating someone than electing someone.

Isn't that how Canadians always vote? We rarely vote in a government. Harper has only maintained power because most people don't want the Liberals back in. The NDP have never been considered a possibility as a replacement for either of the big two. But suddenly they are starting to see that there is an alternative because they are fed up with both of the big two with their constant corruption and lies. They seem to be ready for a fresh set of lies. And you can bet your bippy, that the press will character assassinate Jack the minute it looks like he might get in. As we have seen, that has already begun. The Cons and Libs are running scared and the mud has been substituted with sh*t by the tractor load.

 

[lone wolf]

I think Iggy may have tapped the final nail in his Quebec casket with his ads condemning "NDP will re-open Constitution talks...."

Are we a whole nation or not?

 

[Cliffy]

I think Iggy may have tapped the final nail in his Quebec casket with his ads condemning "NDP will re-open Constitution talks...."

Are we a whole nation or not?

Until the constitutional problems are ironed out, it is just a useless piece of paper. Mulroney shelved it hoping it would just go away, but that is like ignoring a gas leak in your house. Nobody has had the balls to reopen the debate. If Jack has the balls, I say give him a whack at it.

 

[petros]

The NDP had a man on the job in writing the Charter. What is the point?

 

[Cliffy]

The NDP had a man on the job in writing the Charter. What is the point?

The charter isn't the constitution. The constitution and the charter have never been presented to the people for their approval. That, to me, was Trudeau's biggest mistake. The Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords were shot down and Mulroney shelved them. Nobody has taken a look at them since, just assuming they were law, but without a referendum to have them accepted by the people, they really don't hold any water, as far as I'm concerned. If this is truly a democracy (Ya,I know it ain't) then open it up for public debate.

 

[lone wolf]

Whut he said....

 

[s_lone]

I think Iggy may have tapped the final nail in his Quebec casket with his ads condemning "NDP will re-open Constitution talks...."

Are we a whole nation or not?

A lot of Quebecers actually want Constitutional talks! It would be kind of nice for our province to actually be part of the country it's supposed to be part of.

 

[CDNBear]

Still sounds like desperation to me....

Nah, Political Nick always sounds like that...

A lot of Quebecers actually want Constitutional talks! It would be kind of nice for our province to actually be part of the country it's supposed to be part of.

It would be nice, but do you think they could behave constitutionally?

 

[JLM]

The NDP is the symbol of change for Quebec especially. Even more important the
people are tired of being disrespected by the two old parties claiming they are the
only solution yet they don't produce results. Canada regardless of party is as a
society of dysfunction. People have decided they want change and what kind of
change? Not even Canadians know for sure. But the one thing they know for sure
is they don't want to support the Liberals at this point.
I think there are some reasons for this as well. Instead of going through the process
of serving democracy with a leadership convention and allowing for membership
participation, they merely installed a leader. There was no common touch with the
Canadian public or the party itself. The vacuum, after Dion, was compounded and
the collapse was inevitable. Liberals ran a great campaign with a book of policy and
all the trappings, its just there was no connection with voters and fell flat on its face.
Compound that with the attacks by Tories for months with no response. and you have
a recipe for disaster.
The Conservatives concentrated on the Liberals, believing the old conventional attitude
that the NDP would never be considered by Canadians at large. When the two heavy
weights began the old attack ads and vocal condemnation, Layton stayed with talking
about issues that struck a chord with voters. In addition he was able to connect with
voters in the debates and he stole the French debate and the wave began, there was an
alternative. Once the action got rolling it creates momentum of its own.
I am hearing young people talking and actually going to the polls to vote, students, and
young workers and their friends, women and working people, even farmers and some
small business people.
We are not sure yet whether the voters are issuing a warning or a judgement on the tow
old line parties. We will know Monday night, and history will be changed I believe. The
reason many don't is because they are in denial, surely people will do what they always
do won't they? I don't think so.

When it all shakes down Monday night, every party will be within 15 seats of where they are now and as we knew they would be when the stupid election was called. Canada Federal Election 2011 - Election Prediction Project

Isn't that how Canadians always vote? We rarely vote in a government. Harper has only maintained power because most people don't want the Liberals back in. The NDP have never been considered a possibility as a replacement for either of the big two. But suddenly they are starting to see that there is an alternative because they are fed up with both of the big two with their constant corruption and lies. They seem to be ready for a fresh set of lies. And you can bet your bippy, that the press will character assassinate Jack the minute it looks like he might get in. As we have seen, that has already begun. The Cons and Libs are running scared and the mud has been substituted with sh*t by the tractor load.

You should go out and rent yourself a T.V. for tomorrow night as it will be quite interesting to watch. Don't expect any huge changes, enthusiasm is generally short lived. Some smart guy on here recently (was it you?) said they should scrap the party system and all run as independents. Not sure exactly how that would work. Guess you'll be voting for Atamanenko. He seems fairly sensible.

 

[Tonington]

When it all shakes down Monday night, every party will be within 15 seats of where they are now and as we knew they would be when the stupid election was called. Canada Federal Election 2011 - Election Prediction Project

The website Threehundredeight contradicts, they have the Dippers gaining 23 seats, from 36 to 59.

Don't be cherry picking your stats now. I'm actually surprised to even see you usings stats...

 

[JLM]

The website Threehundredeight contradicts, they have the Dippers gaining 23 seats, from 36 to 59.

Don't be cherry picking your stats now. I'm actually surprised to even see you usings stats...

Actually I'm going more by how I perceive human nature. I think by the time most people get to the ballot box they vote more from the head than from the heart. The spike in enthusiasm for Layton comes from what he says and most people know deep down that politicians lie. :lol: