My new Native hero, Chief Clarence Louie.

Cliffy

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Actually the OIB farms, which is a kind of gathering and various members do go hunting and fishing. But yes, the OIB has managed to adapt to a changing world quite well and has retained traditions as well.
True, but traditional hunting and gathering as a substance life style is not really viable.

As a side note, Louise is a Sinixt family name and many Sinixt went to the Okanagan to escape persecution here in the Arrow Lakes and Slocan valleys in the early part of the 20th century. Chief of the Westbank band is also a Louise as was former chief of the Ktunaxa in Creston.
 

L Gilbert

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True, but traditional hunting and gathering as a substance life style is not really viable.

As a side note, Louise is a Sinixt family name and many Sinixt went to the Okanagan to escape persecution here in the Arrow Lakes and Slocan valleys in the early part of the 20th century. Chief of the Westbank band is also a Louise as was former chief of the Ktunaxa in Creston.
Yeah.
Um, just a side note here, it's Louie, not Louise. Got a girlfriend by that name, Cliffy? ;)
 

Machjo

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“You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development,” he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.

First off, let's not confuse tradition and culture. Tradition without culture is simply following sheepishly without thought.

That said, as for preserving culture, I agree with him to a degree. However, seeing that the constitution and laws favour our cultures, it's only fair to compensate. for instance, I could see a tax break for those who learnt their language for that protion of their taxes that go towards subsidizing French and English, seeing that they should not be subsidizing our languages and cultures.

I realise they don't always pay income tax, but many do, especially when they live off reserve.
 

damngrumpy

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There are a number of issues being discussed here, first of all look at the record he has
He turned the place around. His lives in the same Valley as i do and every time you go
down south his handiwork can be seen in progress.
Compare that with Attawapiskat, they had a hundred million handed to them and they
squandered it this guy pumps forty million a year into the general regional economy.

As for the Spanish taking a nap that has happened for centuries and is part of life.
Not everyone has the same customs as America, that does not make America right or
wrong it just means parts of the world are different. I would be interested to know
which society has better preventative health. Perhaps taking the sleep time in the
afternoon is the way to go.
As for Louie he is an effective leader and he is a long time leader therefore the local
people have confidence in him that is what counts.
 

Goober

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Although I tend to agree with your sentiment, hunting and gathering are no longer viable options. Unfortunately, commerce has replaced them in today's world. It is possible to make a living without losing your spiritual heritage. The trick is in finding a balance, a means to make a living that does not conflict with your personal spiritual beliefs.

How do BC Natives do in the fishery assigned to them. What tools do they use to catch fish?
 

earth_as_one

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This thread is relevant to what's going on today. I'm pretty sure the root causes of many first nation problems are incompetence, nepotism and corruption. Why would their leaders be any better than our mayors, premieres and PMs?

I believe in giving people a hand to help, but I disagree with handouts as a long term solution.
 

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Bravo for him! Again I say, bravo! Now if only he could share this message with the lazy white people in our cities who seem to think they are owed a living just "because"

I think lazy has a colour all of it's own.

This thread is relevant to what's going on today. I'm pretty sure the root causes of many first nation problems are incompetence, nepotism and corruption. Why would their leaders be any better than our mayors, premieres and PMs?

I believe in giving people a hand to help, but I disagree with handouts as a long term solution.

A hand up is always better than a hand out.
 

JLM

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too bloody right indian time doesnt cut it. that's one thing that really pissed me off up north, people just couldn't be arsed to turn up on time for anything. Lateness is rudeness in my book.

Yep, better to be 10 minutes early than one minute late!
 

petros

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taxedguy said:
A hand up is always better than a hand out.
I'll bend over backward to help out a disadvantaged kid of school age that stays in school.

If they quit school and don't try to find work or have no intention of getting back in school, f*ck 'em.

Laziness is a problem I or anyone else can't fix for someone.
 

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Actually the OIB farms, which is a kind of gathering and various members do go hunting and fishing. But yes, the OIB has managed to adapt to a changing world quite well and has retained traditions as well.
Excuse me... You mean we've been a joke for hundreds of yrs, I know a white-wash denial when I hear it.
 

Machjo

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I hear that Clarence louie and council wants to Industrialise that reserve now in a green way. I support it but he better hook all the factories and buildings to solor panels and electric windmils to protect the envirement and wildlife we cherish so much in our traditional culture. Solar and wind is expensive but natives never worshiped the big doller so we should pump money into GREEN advanced technology something "Westerners" (Caucasions and Asians) failed to do becuase of their greed and individiualistic beleifs and worship of the almighty doller. They rather burn fossil fuels and destroy our envirement just because it's cheaper and puts more money in there greedy pockets. Now that's what seperates modernising Native Americans from Westerners (Caucasion and Asians) YES hear that again, to us natives ASIANs are also "Westerners"

Well, actually, we descendants of europeans are more eastern than you are! North America is West of Europe.

To be fair though, in comparison to Attawapiskat, what is the quality of the land that reserve is sitting on? Fertile? is it large? Is it near an urban area or other population centre? How is the regional economy outside the reserve surrounding it? Etc.

For instance, there is a diamond mine near Attawapiskat, but it's off reserve. Some in Attawapiskat would likely fear a certain assimilation with all us Southerners dominating the work environment.

If we look at Quebec's Bill 101, while I think it's extreme and don't necessarily support it, there is no denying that it did help get french-speakers into upper management positions in Montreal where before it was English-dominated.

Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that we made it law that the diamond mine had to adopt cree as its official language of administration by a specified time. Suddenly, the mine would have to start training Cree-speakers for the positions, or alternatively teach Cree to management. Either way it would create jobs for the cree either as teachers or as miners or mine administrators. This woudl help to bridge the gap at least somewhat between the culture preservation and skills. It worked in Quebec! Why not around Attawapiskat?
 

Johnnny

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Some of those positions in the mines that the english speakers dominate require education down south.... They have programs up north for natives without experience in the field, but they dont go much farthur than the basics... If they want the top knowledge they have to go down south.... You cant "show" a random from off the street to be a mine geologist, mabye a beat geologist... You cant "show" somone from off the street Geotechnical Applications concerning ground control.... These require specializations... If the Bands wants these degrees for their people, they can send them south or build their own university.... With the potential for chromium in the Jame Bay Lowland it doesnt matter if the land up there is fertile they will be having money for a long time....
 

Machjo

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Some of those positions in the mines that the english speakers dominate require education down south.... They have programs up north for natives without experience in the field, but they dont go much farthur than the basics... If they want the top knowledge they have to go down south.... You cant "show" a random from off the street to be a mine geologist, mabye a beat geologist... You cant "show" somone from off the street Geotechnical Applications concerning ground control.... These require specializations... If the Bands wants these degrees for their people, they can send them south or build their own university.... With the potential for chromium in the Jame Bay Lowland it doesnt matter if the land up there is fertile they will be having money for a long time....

I agree. but if you passed such a law, then the mine, having no choice, would provide that education to conform to the law. Send them South for the education on a contract that they must then work for the mine for X years in exchange. So instead of us paying to support them, we'd now be giving them an opportunity. And like I said, even if instead they decide thay'll just teach cree to the higher level staff, then that would still create jobs for the cree as language teachers. Either way, the private sector would create the jobs.

Any overhead cost woudl be passed down to the consumer, and seeing it's a diamond mine, that consumer could certainly afford it. But also, this would not be a hand out, but a hand up, since it's jobs we'd be guaranteeing them, not money.