Muslims Admit Islam and West 'Irreconcilable'

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So much for multiculturalism it does not work period. Most of the cultural groups
can get along but the culture of Islam makes it impossible to work within the State
that is open and democratic. Now that we know the problem what is the solution?
Left unattended it will lead to bigger problems later
 

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I apologise. Let me restate.
In Canada, German and Austro-Hungarian Nationals in WW1 and those of Japanese ancestry in WW2 were placed in concentration camps. Have they been rehabilitated yet?
not completely, no
 

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but there are still another 58% of Muslims who think differently.... Thats still more

Exactly, and as the generations that are born here become less like their parents, they call that assimilating.
Same as every ethnic group has. 3rd gen the changes in beliefs is immense.
Note that in the US there are Mosques that openly welcome Gays, that have men and women pray together.

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A Contemptible Man Punches Down

by Mark Steyn
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April 15, 2015



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The offices of Charlie Hebdo: That's cartoonist's blood on the floor


I don't think I've read "Doonesbury" since the Eighties, although I assumed it was still out there somewhere - like "Blondie", but less edgy and with worse draftsmanship and drearier characters. So I didn't pay much attention when Garry Trudeau became the first cartoonist to be awarded the George Polk Award.
The Polk Award is named after a journalist shot dead at point-blank range in 1948 while covering the Greek civil war. So you might have thought it would be in ever so mildly bad taste to use the opportunity of a Polk acceptance speech to piss on the graves of a group of journalists similarly murdered. Nevertheless, that's what Mr Trudeau did:
Charlie Hebdo, which always maintained it was attacking Islamic fanatics, not the general population, has succeeded in provoking many Muslims throughout France to make common cause with its most violent outliers. This is a bitter harvest.
Ah, so Charlie Hebdo is to blame for provoking ordinary, peaceful, moderate Muslims into supporting the Allahu Akbar guys who killed them.
Traditionally, satire has comforted the afflicted while afflicting the comfortable. Satire punches up, against authority of all kinds, the little guy against the powerful. Great French satirists like Molière and Daumier always punched up, holding up the self-satisfied and hypocritical to ridicule. Ridiculing the non-privileged is almost never funny—it's just mean.
By punching downward, by attacking a powerless, disenfranchised minority with crude, vulgar drawings closer to graffiti than cartoons, Charlie wandered into the realm of hate speech.
Is Islam, which will be the world's largest religion by mid-century and already controls a 58-member voting bloc at the UN attempting to impose a global blasphemy law, really "a powerless, disenfranchised minority"? Does even someone as blinkered and parochial as Garry Trudeau think Charlie Hebdo was "punching down"?
Apparently so. At The Atlantic, David Frum has done a very thorough examination of the matter, and includes this example of what Mr Trudeau regards as "punching up":
In 2012, Garry Trudeau drew a series of strips about a Texas law requiring an ultrasound before an abortion. Trudeau's point of view was ferocious: He had one of his characters pronounce, "By the authority invested in me by the GOP base, I thee rape."
Ah, the deft satirical jest for which "Doonesbury" is renowned! But, as I've been saying for over a decade now, if you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked. Whether or not targeting the GOP base is "punching up", they're not going to punch Garry Trudeau up, assuming he ever runs into any of them. "I thee rape" is pretty funny, huh? In Sweden, and the Netherlands, and Rotherham and Rochdale and other unlovely towns of northern England, the fellows doing the raping, and the grooming, and the sex slavery, are young Muslim men. But, if you were to essay "I thee rape" gags about them, they'd kill you.
Best to stick to that GOP base, don't you think? Garry Trudeau doesn't "afflict the comfortable". The preening twerp is "the comfortable", and he's careful to afflict only those who won't discomfort his comfort.
Still, I'm grateful to David Frum's column for drawing my attention to this passage in Trudeau's remarks:
As you know, the Muhammad cartoon controversy began eight years ago in Denmark, as a protest against "self-censorship," one editor's call to arms against what she felt was a suffocating political correctness. The idea behind the original drawings was not to entertain or to enlighten or to challenge authority—her charge to the cartoonists was specifically to provoke, and in that they were exceedingly successful. Not only was one cartoonist gunned down, but riots erupted around the world, resulting in the deaths of scores.
Aside from the other errors in that paragraph, I found myself wondering: Who is this "she" who gave "her charge" to those cartoonists? In the ten years since the cartoons were published, I've met most of the Jyllands-Posten staff involved, and I've been interviewed by the newspaper twice, first in London and then in Copenhagen. The journalist who proposed the idea was Stig Olesen, which even Garry Trudeau must recognize as a male name. The editor-in-chief at the time was Carsten Juste: Did Mr Trudeau think "Carsten" is a bit girly like "Kirsten"? The culture editor, in whose section the Motoons appeared, was Flemming Rose: Did Trudeau accidentally invert the name and think it was Miss Rose Flemming?
Or is it just that a comfortable non-afflicted American celebrity couldn't be arsed even to look up the names of fellow artists and writers living under constant death threats for a decade? It's not just locally resident fanatics: an extraordinarily wide range of persons from Chicago, Illinois to Waterford, Ireland have been arrested for plotting to kill those cartoonists and their editors. While I was in Copenhagen for that second interview with Jyllands-Posten, a one-legged Chechen jihadist prematurely self-detonated in his hotel room while en route to blow up the paper.
A "one-legged Chechen jihadist" sounds pretty funny, right? Maybe Trudeau could put one in "Doonesbury". Oh, no, wait: he's not capable of drawing a one-legged Chechen jihadist, is he? Still, you gotta admit, every one-legged Chechen is pretty much surefire comedy gold ...until one of them gets through. At which point, even as you're lying on the floor in a pool of blood, Garry Trudeau will "punch up" at you, and flatter himself that he's brave to do so.
After my battles with Canada's "human rights" commissions, I wrote a book on free speech (personally autographed copies of which, etc, etc) and its remorseless retreat across the western world. And as a result I get asked from time to time to give speeches in various parts of the Continent. After accepting one such engagement for later this year, it occurred to me upon rereading the invitation that perhaps I was not the event organizers' first choice. But that's because Charb and his Charlie Hebdo colleagues are dead. And the Swedish artist Lars Vilks is living in hiding after the most recent attempt on his life a few weeks ago. And pretty soon the Rolodex is emptying out so fast there's no one to book but some obscure Canadian...
Lars Hedegaard, my host in Copenhagen, was shot at point-blank range, but fortunately by someone far more incompetent than George Polk's killer. My friend the Norwegian comedienne Shabana Rehman had her family restaurant firebombed by pals of some dimestore imam. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot, who could only appear with me on stage disguised in a burqa lest anybody see his face, has been forced into "retirement". The American cartoonist Molly Norris has vanished from the face of the earth. I write about her in my latest book, but I doubt Garry Trudeau even knows her name. She was a by-the-book Cascadian liberal who discovered that, when you accidentally cross Islam, Trudeau and all the other bigshot "progressives" won't be there for you.
Charlie Hebdo dead, Vilks in hiding, Hedegaard shot, Rehman firebombed, Nekschot vanished, Molly Norris fled, Kurt Westergaard attacked by an Islamic axeman... But Garry Trudeau is on stage congratulating himself on "afflicting the comfortable". You can't "punch down" much lower than sneering at the dead and those no longer able to speak, can you?
It's not often that I find myself too angry to write. But, if Trudeau were to hand, I might be minded to try a little punching up myself. But that's the point, isn't it? When you say to people you can't write, you can't draw, you can't raise certain subjects, what forms of expression are left other than physical violence?
~If Garry Trudeau wants to "afflict the comfortable", the generation that's followed him doesn't want to afflict anybody. At Cracked - which, God help us, is the American answer to Charlie Hebdo - J F Sargent tries to write about why these days everybody seems to get so offended so easily:
Now, I'm not saying that offensive jokes are okay or that we shouldn't call them out -- they're not okay and they should be called out when we hear them. Because that's how comedians learn and that's how society stays healthy.
For cryin' out loud: what kind of supposedly funny writer at an alleged humor magazine could type with a straight face such portentous tosspottery? Granted this is the age of what Kathy Shaidle calls millennial beta male faggotry, wouldn't it be quicker just to slice off your bollocks and serve them with spaghetti sauce to the first passing social justice warrior?
The aforementioned The [Un]documented Mark Steyn has a section called "Last Laughs". Because in the future these guys are building there will be no jokes.


http://www.steynonline.com/6911/a-contemptible-man-punches-down
 

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Good read.

I see being a complete moron comes with the name Trudeau. And here I thought ours was nurtured into his stupidity.
 

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The information reporter,reported who the survey company was, however they forgot to mention who sponsored the survey,and how their participants were chosen,the information projected should be considered "bunk"until the creditability of the survey company can be established.
 

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Yeah, we don't care much for people who hide their faces and go around blowing up people! :)
i hope you were not saying yeah to me.
in a modern world covering faces is not "hiding",there is nothing to hide in a computer/technology world,marking with the iris of the eyes is a modern day tell all of technology,DNA testing,the list is endless,what someone looks like seems a little old fashioned,and more so the concept of people"hiding" their faces is old and outdated in modern day thinking,if they prefer iris marking or dna testing so be it!
The majority of people who "hide" their faces are not involved in "blowing up peope" or beheading for that matter,
these are old out dated thoughts which provoke unessacary fear mongering.I find these thoughts are an age appropriate way of thinking.
 

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This is true and a big deterrent to acceptance by most Canadians, but is it any different than Christians trying to change laws to suit their religious beliefs (abortion, gay marriage)?


Yes Cliffy, tis different. We already have legalized abortion, gay marriage, etc. ...........for better or worse........pun intended.

Sharia law, no way.
 

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The majority of people who "hide" their faces are not involved in "blowing up peope" or beheading for that matter,
these are old out dated thoughts which provoke unessacary fear mongering.I find these thoughts are an age appropriate way of thinking.

Some of the reasons used for women to cover up and be modest is pretty outdated. In this day and age a man ought to be able to control himself. And if he can't control himself it ought not be the woman's fault.
 

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but there are still another 58% of Muslims who think differently.... Thats still more

It doesn't actually take a majority to take over. It never has anywhere in history that I can think of (at least in terms of totalitarian ideologies). 42% is still more support than most governments need to get elected in the democratic nation. Totalitarian ideologies like Islam need far less. A group can take over even in the case of a subset of a subset being extreme. Hitler took over even though most Germans did not support gassing Jews. Stalin murdered millions even though most Russians were peaceful. Mao committed horrendous crimes in China even though the majority were peaceful Buddhists. Pol Pot took over Cambodia even though the majority were peaceful. Islam used this same tactic to take over by force formerly Christian nations like Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon, the formerly Zoroastrian nation of Iran, formerly Buddhist nations like Afghanistan, and formerly Hindu nations like Pakistan.

The majority of Muslims are peaceful, but as the population of a nation rises above 20% Muslim (even with only a minority of these being radical), freedom diminishes greatly. Even at under 10% places like Britain and France are losing freedom as they bend to Islam.

The current migration is Islam's third attempt to take over the West. The last attempt ended on September 12th, 1683. September 11th was meant to symbolize the turning of the clock back the day before that humiliating defeat. This third is different because a new approach is taken that does not include swords. Instead, it includes the doctrine of al Hijra (the Islamic doctrine of immigration, as practiced by Muhammad when he took over in Arabia 1400 years ago).

 

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It doesn't actually take a majority to take over. It never has anywhere in history that I can think of (at least in terms of totalitarian ideologies). 42% is still more support than most governments need to get elected in the democratic nation. Totalitarian ideologies like Islam need far less. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjdO4cfeEg
I have to agree. Just look what the European Christians did to the Americas.