Long Gun Registry -Yes- No
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Where exactly are you going with all of this?
Of course the only time most police would check that long-arm he's holding is if he already committed a crime, so what's the point? Possession without a license is against the law, taking the gun out in a public location is against the law, etc. etc...... unless the police stumbled upon this guy in the middle of the woods without a license or had a warrant to search his or her house and stumble upon the firearm in question, registering that firearm is useless and in either of the two above examples, the person in question already broke the law beyond not registering the firearm or having a firearm reported stolen.
One thing you should learn quickly is to not generalize everybody in here..... telling me that I don't know anything about "Life on the Frontier" just proves you don't know anything about me.
And if your only argument is based on "Life on the Frontier" backed up with the argument that most of Canada isn't "Frontier"..... then once again..... what's the point of wasting resources and time for something that doesn't affect the greater majority of the public, let alone the police protecting that same public?
Considering Americans have more types of firearms then we have in Canada, that's kind of common sense, since they have more handguns, more automatics, semi-automatics, etc. etc..... who cares if we have more long-guns then the US when they have more firearms overall?
WTF are you going on about?
They have more rights in the US to carry firearms around in public then we do.... you're claiming we can walk around our own streets in Canada with 22's and shotguns just fine..... I'd like to know where you live in Canada where you can do that and not get stopped by the police.
You sure have a pitiful amount of faith towards the knowledge of your fellow citizen about their own nation...... that says something about your own knowledge about our own nation.
Frig a grade 4 student could tell you a good size of our country is still generally untouched by man by just looking at a map.
Frontier can mean a lot of things. Can you be more specific?
Hammered? Cuz that's so much better then getting Stoned? :-?
The big difference being, people don't carry rifles and shot guns around all day.
When the law states people can carry their rifles and shotguns around, like we move around in our cars, then we'll be on the same page.
Thanks for giving me the easiest question I've had in awhile. Vehicles, more often than not are the objects of crime, not the perpetrators. Criminals steal cars and then abduct the owner or worse still children. Cars are damaged as the result of criminal activity (drunk driving, theft etc.) Vehicles are used to transport illegal goods.
I guess you and I belong to different clubs on this issue, Spade. :lol: For one thing a gun owner with 500 registered guns is probably a pretty upstanding guy. Criminals don't generally act as expected, and cops should expect anything from them including guns, bombs, axes, machetes, nitro glycerin. Another thing, a ciminal with 500 guns is probably no more dangerous than a criminal with one gun, (or two guns if he's Billy the Kid) :smile:
Yeah, I suppose if by registering 50 million guns, will solve all the several hundred that are stolen. Pretty expensive deterrent. No guarantees those crimes will be solved.
JLM: Well, it was your logic. That an object that has the potential to be the victim of a crime should be registered.
Ten years ago, my nephew, living in Temagami On. at the time was working in Alberta on the oil fields there.....One week before his return home, he gets a call from the O.P.P. That a neighbour had reported his house broken into and that aside from from his liquor cabinet being emptied, only his gun locker had been broken open with tools that the crooks had found in his workshop....and would he verify (and they had all the information from the registry) that all these guns were missing and that he didn't have them with him at the time since he had been living in Alberta for the past six months.
Over the telephone, he had to guide them to a wall with a so well hidden compartment, that it took them 15 minutes with his instructions, to open it......all his guns were there, intact.
Upon, his return, he finds that he has a summons for a charge of unsafe storage, because the firearms had no trigger locks on them, not by the officers who had answered the break-in call, but by the crown attorney.
He was going to act as his own lawyer but didn't have to, The judge, after the crown attorney was finished with the officers, asked them........If the guns had been in the gun locker, where they normally would have been........where would they be now???? after the officers said they didn't know, he dismissed the case and ordered the guns be returned to my nephew's house.
Some will say that justice was served, but my nephew just considers himself lucky to have got a judge with common sense.....plus he wasted a full day and an hour's drive to NorthBay and another hour back. And what for? Go to any Canadian Tire store, and look at all the trigger locks on the shelves...chances are...all the keys have the same number:roll:
Over the telephone, he had to guide them to a wall with a so well hidden compartment, that it took them 15 minutes with his instructions, to open it......all his guns were there, intact.
Upon, his return, he finds that he has a summons for a charge of unsafe storage, because the firearms had no trigger locks on them, not by the officers who had answered the break-in call, but by the crown attorney.
He was going to act as his own lawyer but didn't have to, The judge, after the crown attorney was finished with the officers, asked them........If the guns had been in the gun locker, where they normally would have been........where would they be now???? after the officers said they didn't know, he dismissed the case and ordered the guns be returned to my nephew's house.
Some will say that justice was served, but my nephew just considers himself lucky to have got a judge with common sense.....plus he wasted a full day and an hour's drive to NorthBay and another hour back. And what for? Go to any Canadian Tire store, and look at all the trigger locks on the shelves...chances are...all the keys have the same number:roll:
Or reach behind the counter, and grab the binder they keep the drivers license numbers, of customers who buy ammunition.
As my friend found out, Canadian Tire calls the Cops, because it finds it very upsetting that you take the book and point that out to them, but quite shy about pressing charges of theft, because you make it known, you're about to call the media.
Good times, good times.
*yawn* >stretch< Mmm... coffee... Okay, back to normal reality...
I registered: a nicely seasoned 306, a 12 gauge, a 20 gauge, and a sweet little scoped Belgian 22 that I got my first coyote with when I was eight. They're all handed down, and they're *mine*, and now it's on record.
Real hunters have no issue with the registry, and they like the fact that it's recorded whose weapons are whose. You know who hates the registry? Those gong-heads who start breakfast with beer and start targeting road signs if they haven't got a deer by noon... in other words, the kind of guys who'd vote for Harper. Those gongers never figure out that the deer can hear them coming from a mile away, and can't even dream of getting an antelope, the first of which I got when I was fourteen.
The question I have is... why did it cost more to host a three day photo op for leaders of the G8/G20 than to register all the long-arms in Canada?
I registered: a nicely seasoned 306, a 12 gauge, a 20 gauge, and a sweet little scoped Belgian 22 that I got my first coyote with when I was eight. They're all handed down, and they're *mine*, and now it's on record.
Real hunters have no issue with the registry, and they like the fact that it's recorded whose weapons are whose. You know who hates the registry? Those gong-heads who start breakfast with beer and start targeting road signs if they haven't got a deer by noon... in other words, the kind of guys who'd vote for Harper. Those gongers never figure out that the deer can hear them coming from a mile away, and can't even dream of getting an antelope, the first of which I got when I was fourteen.
The question I have is... why did it cost more to host a three day photo op for leaders of the G8/G20 than to register all the long-arms in Canada?
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How easy is it for a twelve-year-old to hack into a government computer system?
Note to nitpickers: Twelve, in this case, is a random age....
Note to nitpickers: Twelve, in this case, is a random age....
He said it wasn't safe to rely solely on the gun registry, not that the gun registry is an unsafe tool.
That is misrepresentation.
It depends which ministry's system you're talking about. Tragically, TBSs used to be one of the easiest, although maybe that's (hopefully) changed over the last seven years.
We are supposed to register our guns? I thought that only applied to city liberals.:lol:
The question is loaded.
I am not necessarily against registering rifles but not under the conditions that currently exist. And I am dead against the questions asked to get a POL. Anyone that thinks the long form census is an invasion should look at what a bunch of unelected bureaucrats think they have a right to know.
According to an Edmonton police officer on the news yesterday the majority of feet on the pavement police officers are against it. Along with most people outside of Toronto and Quebec.
You omitted the fact that the government can and has used the registry system to confiscate private property. Years back automatics were registered and restricted.OK. Them along comes another batch of do gooder politicians that decided that automatics are now PROHIBITED and they have a list of responsible owners that they confiscated said automatics from. This has done absolutely zero to stop criminals from keeping theirs because they were smart enough not to register their weapons in the first place.
Just out of curiosity, why are people so opposed to registering whose weapons are whose?
Are they shy about it? Do they feel like it puts them in the same league as a sex offender?
To me, I liked the idea that it be made official and clear that those weapons are mine.
What in the world is so freaking people out about it?
Are they shy about it? Do they feel like it puts them in the same league as a sex offender?
To me, I liked the idea that it be made official and clear that those weapons are mine.
What in the world is so freaking people out about it?
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Then you missed the point of my comparison. The point is that these tools by themselves aren't likely to be all that is required to convict someone. A police officer has a tool kit. Scientists have tool kits. Mechanics have tool kits. Tools are meant to be used in conjunction with something else. A cordless drill without a drill bit isn't a very useful piece of equipment.
Having DNA doesn't mean the person the DNA came from committed a crime. DNA is a powerful tool, but if the police were to rely solely on DNA, they would convict many innocents, and fail to capture true criminals.
I personally don't judge my tools by what they can't do.
I can't, I'm not a cop.
Ahh. So it's just rhetorical to spin them as idiots and fascists when they use the system in your straw man explanation. Fallacy.
The right to life and liberty, you don't think they place a high priority on their duty to protect and gather evidence when someone has been deprived of their life and liberty?
Protecting constitutional rights is actually the duty of our Judiciary. They're the ones who strike down laws that PARLIAMENTARIANS make which are unconstitutional. Like Quebec language laws, or prohibiting same sex couples from marrying. Or they turn down groups who try to expand rights dangerously, like media outlets trying to use the constitutional laws of our land to protect their sources.