Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

Twin_Moose

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You should have learned this in school.


Indigenous Peoples and Government Policy in Canada - The Canadian Encyclopedia

British colonial policy acknowledged Aboriginal peoples as sovereign nations.

Under the direction of the military, and once treaties were signed sovereign nations were removed and they were restricted to reserves with band councils.

European states claimed lands around the world by right of "discovery," and declared Indigenous people living there to be subject to the colonizing power. However, the Europeans who first came to North America depended on the more numerous and better-adapted Aboriginal people for survival, which led to trading and military alliances. During the period of alliances, which lasted until the early 19th century, Aboriginal policy was diplomatic and military in orientation because Aboriginal peoples constituted sovereign and independent nations.

As the non-Aboriginal population increased, Aboriginal peoples — mostly First Nations — ceased to be treated as independent nations and were settled on reserves. There, Aboriginal bands were organized under the supervision of Indian Department superintendents or agents. No longer military diplomats, but local managers of reserve land and band affairs, they encouraged Aboriginal people to farm, become self-supporting by non-traditional means and generally live like the surrounding population. Schools and churches were usually provided. These activities were organized by a civilian Indian Department — the precursor to Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC) — which replaced the military authority in 1830. The establishment of common property in reserves and band funds, special legislation and treaty rights led to the development of the legal concept of status.
 

gerryh

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Under the direction of the military, and once treaties were signed sovereign nations were removed and they were restricted to reserves with band councils.


Tell that to the Haudenosaunee and get back to me when you get out of the hospital, specifically the MWS.
 

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Being that Canada is a country where we have freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, I would like to see a fenced compound set up where it doesn't interfere with activity on the pipeline where people can gather and shout and display all the signs they want and generally make themselves "at home". Anyone however that interferes physically with construction of the pipeline should be charged with treason and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I just heard on C.B.C. news that delay on the pipeline construction is costing taxpayers $40 million a day. I think taxpayer's rights to minimal construction costs exceeds any other rights. In simple f**king English ("he who pays the piper calls the tune") :lol:

Thank you Premier Horgan. /s Your efforts to ensure our province's continued hindrance of the KM pipeline extension solely in order to hang on to your government have now all but ensured that BCers will be paying a lot more for everything, including gas. Fortunately for you and other Left Coaster's, the real burden of the price increases will be borne by those of us who live in the Interior. You have the luxury of public transport and ready access to other goods such as groceries which here in the Heartland have the added cost of transportation fees. Everything up here has transportation fees attached. You can take a taxi to the doctor's, dentist's or any other appointments. We don't even have taxi service in our town, and we are hardly alone in that. So thank you for making our lives that much tougher because you don't have the will or the integrity to stand up for what you know in your heart is good for this province. Shame on you.

I sent the Asshole a polite email last night urging him to give up on this stupidity and listed 7 other endeavours that he would have a better chance of making headway with and ones that once in effect would reduce the cost of government with a c.c. to my Liberal M.L.A. I might see a reply next year. :lol:
 

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Perhaps you could do your own research. It is a waste of time trying to discuss anything with the pro side, they are impervious to facts and when cornered they just start name calling. I ain't got time for their shit, that is why most of them are on my ignore list.

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Rachel Notley told CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show that it is “virtually impossible” for a double-hulled tanker to breach. She should tell that to the people of Port Arthur, Texas, where the Eagle Otome collided with a barge and spilled 450,000 gallons of oil; or to the people of Singapore, where the Bunga Kelana spilled nearly a million gallons; or to Shevenigen, Holland where the Mindoro spilled almost 3 million gallons. ALL THREE TANKERS WERE DOUBLE-HULLED. And the Titanic was also a double hulled boat that was supposed to be unsinkable.

Other of Notley’s assurances were equally, um, optimistic.
The danger from daily transits of Burrard Inlet by ever larger tankers is real. The danger from an expanded, over-crowded Burnaby tank farm is even worse; just ask the Burnaby Fire Department or Simon Fraser University. The NEB, and now Trudeau and Notley, have simply turned a blind eye to all the warning.
You do of course understand that Greenpeace International’s head office is in Amsterdam, which has thirty oil tankers in their harbour at all times .
 

JLM

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Thank you Premier Horgan. /s Your efforts to ensure our province's continued hindrance of the KM pipeline extension solely in order to hang on to your government have now all but ensured that BCers will be paying a lot more for everything, including gas. Fortunately for you and other Left Coaster's, the real burden of the price increases will be borne by those of us who live in the Interior. You have the luxury of public transport and ready access to other goods such as groceries which here in the Heartland have the added cost of transportation fees. Everything up here has transportation fees attached. You can take a taxi to the doctor's, dentist's or any other appointments. We don't even have taxi service in our town, and we are hardly alone in that. So thank you for making our lives that much tougher because you don't have the will or the integrity to stand up for what you know in your heart is good for this province. Shame on you.

You might want to gas up your vehicle in the morning. It was reported on Global News tonight that gas prices could shoot up to $2 a litre with no time specified, so to be safe I think I'll do it tomorrow. "Best not to fiddle while Rome burns" :lol:
 

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You might want to gas up your vehicle in the morning. It was reported on Global News tonight that gas prices could shoot up to $2 a litre with no time specified, so to be safe I think I'll do it tomorrow. "Best not to fiddle while Rome burns" :lol:

Thing is as soon as gas goes up so does everything else. Home repair materials. Gardening equipment and supplies. Just about anything I can think of is going to rise in price so gas for my very fuel-efficient car which I use sparingly is the least of my worries.

I was just at Gas Buddy have a look at prices around BC, JLM.

132.9 - 133.9 in Kelowna
132.9 - 134.9 in 100 Mile House
117.4 - 119.8 in Prince George
129.9 - 132.9 in Kamloops
145.9 in Victoria
147.9 - 148.9 in Vancouver

I pay 131.9 in Forest Grove as it is always a buck cheaper than town and much closer to home. Appears the Left Coast is still 10 cents or higher than the Interior. Looks good on them.
 

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JLM

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Thing is as soon as gas goes up so does everything else. Home repair materials. Gardening equipment and supplies. Just about anything I can think of is going to rise in price so gas for my very fuel-efficient car which I use sparingly is the least of my worries.

I was just at Gas Buddy have a look at prices around BC, JLM.

132.9 - 133.9 in Kelowna
132.9 - 134.9 in 100 Mile House
117.4 - 119.8 in Prince George
129.9 - 132.9 in Kamloops
145.9 in Victoria
147.9 - 148.9 in Vancouver

I pay 131.9 in Forest Grove as it is always a buck cheaper than town and much closer to home. Appears the Left Coast is still 10 cents or higher than the Interior. Looks good on them.

It's around $1.199 in Vernon right now, I'll check again in the morning before I high tail down there.
 

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This morning, Rachel Notley told CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show that it is “virtually impossible” for a double-hulled tanker to breach. She should tell that to the people of Port Arthur, Texas, where the Eagle Otome collided with a barge and spilled 450,000 gallons of oil; or to the people of Singapore, where the Bunga Kelana spilled nearly a million gallons; or to Shevenigen, Holland where the Mindoro spilled almost 3 million gallons. ALL THREE TANKERS WERE DOUBLE-HULLED.
Other of Notley’s assurances were equally, um, optimistic.
The danger from daily transits of Burrard Inlet by ever larger tankers is real. The danger from an expanded, over-crowded Burnaby tank farm is even worse; just ask the Burnaby Fire Department or Simon Fraser University. The NEB, and now Trudeau and Notley, have simply turned a blind eye to all the warnings.











Yup, looks real fukking reassuring.
 

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Thing is as soon as gas goes up so does everything else. Home repair materials. Gardening equipment and supplies. Just about anything I can think of is going to rise in price so gas for my very fuel-efficient car which I use sparingly is the least of my worries.

I was just at Gas Buddy have a look at prices around BC, JLM.

132.9 - 133.9 in Kelowna
132.9 - 134.9 in 100 Mile House
117.4 - 119.8 in Prince George
129.9 - 132.9 in Kamloops
145.9 in Victoria
147.9 - 148.9 in Vancouver

I pay 131.9 in Forest Grove as it is always a buck cheaper than town and much closer to home. Appears the Left Coast is still 10 cents or higher than the Interior. Looks good on them.

Interesting thing about gas prices on the Island is once you get to the remote destination places like Tofino gas is cheaper than every town the tanker passed though along the way. Also Comox Valley which has a Costco gas bar is cheaper than anywhere else.

This morning, Rachel Notley told CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show that it is “virtually impossible” for a double-hulled tanker to breach. She should tell that to the people of Port Arthur, Texas, where the Eagle Otome collided with a barge and spilled 450,000 gallons of oil; or to the people of Singapore, where the Bunga Kelana spilled nearly a million gallons; or to Shevenigen, Holland where the Mindoro spilled almost 3 million gallons. ALL THREE TANKERS WERE DOUBLE-HULLED.
Other of Notley’s assurances were equally, um, optimistic.
The danger from daily transits of Burrard Inlet by ever larger tankers is real. The danger from an expanded, over-crowded Burnaby tank farm is even worse; just ask the Burnaby Fire Department or Simon Fraser University. The NEB, and now Trudeau and Notley, have simply turned a blind eye to all the warnings.











Yup, looks real fukking reassuring.

Are you saying foreigners drive boats like they drive cars?
 

Twin_Moose

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Tell that to the Haudenosaunee and get back to me when you get out of the hospital, specifically the MWS.

You had my hopes up for a minute there, I thought there was another nation within the Canadian border I could move to that may have lower tax rate or better health care, but alas my hopes were dashed again Lol

LINK
Using one of your sources

The Silver Covenant Chain was another agreement between nations, the British Crown and the Haudenosaunee. With the Treaty of Albany in 1701, Haudenosaunee sold the lands of the Great Lakes to Britain in return for protection and continued hunting and fishing rights.
 

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You had my hopes up for a minute there, I thought there was another nation within the Canadian border I could move to that may have lower tax rate or better health care, but alas my hopes were dashed again Lol

LINK
Using one of your sources
I have to conclude that you went to school in the 1950s
 

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Interesting story. A friend of mine wanted to put in a two tier septic system behind his log cabin in B.C.

Admittedly, I don't know alot about septic systems, but I found the process quite interesting. To do this, he had to go through the government and get an environmental assessment done. Even though he was replacing the previous no longer functioning system.

Regardless, he followed the rules and paid for the assessment. He was then sent a letter telling him that this information would be cc'd out for approval and First Nations Reserves in the area might contact him to either deny the request, or even ask for money. The individual from the ministry told him that it was likely that some of the FN reserves would say that he couldn't put in the system. He was told to disregard all literature he received from anyone outside the ministry and wait for their verdict.

I should point out that this fellow lives in the Fraser Valley, away from sewer and gas. As predicted, he received letters from a couple First Nations reserves. The first denied approval. They were from somewhere in Clearbrook, B.C.. The second said they could only approve the project if he sent them money. I don't have the exact number, but it was in the thousands, somewhere between five and ten. This FN group was closer to Vancouver.

He did as he was told. Carried out the due diligence and his upgrade was eventually approved by the government. I would assume it was Environment Canada he was dealing with, but I'm not 100% on that, it could have been provincial.

The lesson I suppose is that everyone wants a piece of the pie.

Less than 90 days ago



The Sanchi collides with a grain carrier, burns for a week, then sinks in the PAcific with a million bbls of NG condensate.

High winds and seas stymied most of the search and rescue efforts. There was no way to contain the damage.

Premier Notely is entirely unqualified so as much as comment on maritime safety.

If it floats it can sink

This morning, Rachel Notley told CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show that it is “virtually impossible” for a double-hulled tanker to breach. She should tell that to the people of Port Arthur, Texas, where the Eagle Otome collided with a barge and spilled 450,000 gallons of oil; or to the people of Singapore, where the Bunga Kelana spilled nearly a million gallons; or to Shevenigen, Holland where the Mindoro spilled almost 3 million gallons. ALL THREE TANKERS WERE DOUBLE-HULLED.
Other of Notley’s assurances were equally, um, optimistic.
The danger from daily transits of Burrard Inlet by ever larger tankers is real. The danger from an expanded, over-crowded Burnaby tank farm is even worse; just ask the Burnaby Fire Department or Simon Fraser University. The NEB, and now Trudeau and Notley, have simply turned a blind eye to all the warnings.











Yup, looks real fukking reassuring.

Funny, makes pipelines look all the more reassuring. Ontario and Quebec fought energy east and have the above type of transportation in the canals and great lakes everyday.
 

JLM

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This morning, Rachel Notley told CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show that it is “virtually impossible” for a double-hulled tanker to breach. She should tell that to the people of Port Arthur, Texas, where the Eagle Otome collided with a barge and spilled 450,000 gallons of oil; or to the people of Singapore, where the Bunga Kelana spilled nearly a million gallons; or to Shevenigen, Holland where the Mindoro spilled almost 3 million gallons. ALL THREE TANKERS WERE DOUBLE-HULLED.
Other of Notley’s assurances were equally, um, optimistic.
The danger from daily transits of Burrard Inlet by ever larger tankers is real. The danger from an expanded, over-crowded Burnaby tank farm is even worse; just ask the Burnaby Fire Department or Simon Fraser University. The NEB, and now Trudeau and Notley, have simply turned a blind eye to all the warnings.











Yup, looks real fukking reassuring.

Cliffy- Anyone can grope around and find some tragedy somewhere at sometime, but you don't let that shit deter you from an endeavour that might produce positive results! You take note of the fiasco, review the procedure and make adjustments that will hopefully lead to a better outcome! Nothing in this world is guaranteed except death, taxes and assholes! Are we all going to quit driving now on account of the accident near Tisdale?