Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

[petros]

What business on this planet is not about the money it's the whole purpose, I'm not sitting at this worksite for my health either I'm here for the money. You say the Anti side is not about the money there is all kinds of articles on professional protesters getting paid to disrupt an industry for the benefits of another. The First Canadian industry is not about saving Mother Earth it's about getting paid, there just happens to be a few ideological fools that get caught up in the mess to make it look legit.

Obama screwed Canada on the KXL using paid protestors then passed the DAPL.

 

[Hoid]

What business on this planet is not about the money.

The business of protecting your property so that you can pass it down through the generations.

I know that is beyond your understanding but that is what is important about this argument. Not about whether some construction workers get a job for a couple of years or not.

 

[petros]

You don't have property Rights. It's all Crown land.

 

[Twin_Moose]

You don't have property Rights. It's all Crown land.

And reading on here soon to be First Canadian land

The business of protecting your property so that you can pass it down through the generations.

I know that is beyond your understanding but that is what is important about this argument. Not about whether some construction workers get a job for a couple of years or not.

And that is still not about commodities, and by the way they just want it recognized so they can get a piece of the royalty checks, it's still about the money.

 

[Hoid]

Soon to be?

Canada does not recognize indigenous title now?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Soon to be?

Canada does not recognize indigenous title now?

Why can't First Canadians own their own land? We're not talking treaty agreements here but actually owning land legally

 

[Cliffy]

Yesterday one of the first nations leaders said their interests are solely for first nations people. He let everyone know they don't really care about other Canadians. If they can't look at interests beyond their own people then the rest of us need to rethink issues involving first nations.

Since when has the rest of Canada cared about the indigenous peoples?

Why can't First Canadians own their own land? We're not talking treaty agreements here but actually owning land legally

They can and do if they leave the reserve. It is against the Indian Act for treaty Indians to own land on the reserves.

 

[Kreskin]

Because the people who are for the pipeline are not just about the money?

If there was a single pro pipeline argument other than money there might be a lot more support for it.

The pro side is ethically bankrupt and led by someone they themselves call a Snowflake and Social Justice Warrior - because its only about money and they will follow anyone who gets them some.

I live on Vancouver Island. I have no financial interest in the oil business, but I understand and appreciate many Canadians do, and I'm willing to accept more risk for their benefit. I'm first and foremost a Canadian. This country is not just about me. Oil is already shipped from Vancouver. Safely.

What's your interest in this? Is it to sing Kumbaya and smoke weed? Rest assured you won't have a problem.

 

[Hoid]

Why can't First Canadians own their own land? We're not talking treaty agreements here but actually owning land legally

They can and do.

Is this going to be a long series of you asking silly questions ?

I live on Vancouver Island. I have no financial interest in the oil business, but I understand and appreciate many Canadians do, and I'm willing to accept more risk for their benefit. I'm first and foremost a Canadian. This country is not just about me. Oil is already shipped from Vancouver. Safely.

What's your interest in this? Is it to sing Kumbaya and smoke weed? Rest assured you won't have a problem.

I also live on Vancouver Island. I have no financial interest in the fish or tourism business, and I am willing to demand less risk for their benefit.

I am also willing to accept that at least part of the land that this pipeline travels over belongs to a nation other than Canada.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Since when has the rest of Canada cared about the indigenous peoples?


They can and do if they leave the reserve. It is against the Indian Act for treaty Indians to own land on the reserves.

Yes because the land was put in a trust for future FN people not just the present like the Natives requested.

They can and do.

Is this going to be a long series of you asking silly questions ?


I also live on Vancouver Island. I have no financial interest in the fish or tourism business, and I am willing to demand less risk for their benefit.

I am also willing to accept that at least part of the land that this pipeline travels over belongs to a nation other than Canada.

To the bolded are you saying that there is another country within the borders of Canada? If so what currency do they use? Do they have Health care or is privatized? Is there a way to apply for citizenship within this Nation? What is their Tax rate? Do they have a deficit? Are they friendly to Canadians?

 

[Hoid]

Yes because the land was put in a trust for future FN people not just the present like the Natives requested.



To the bolded are you saying that there is another country within the borders of Canada? If so what currency do they use? Do they have Health care or is privatized? Is there a way to apply for citizenship within this Nation? What is their Tax rate? Do they have a deficit? Are they friendly to Canadians?

Another country?

There are 11 First Nations in Metro Vancouver alone.

There are about 150 First Nations involved in the pipeline.

What ****ing country do you even live in? Its obviously is not Canada.

 

[gerryh]

To the bolded are you saying that there is another country within the borders of Canada? If so what currency do they use? Do they have Health care or is privatized? Is there a way to apply for citizenship within this Nation? What is their Tax rate? Do they have a deficit? Are they friendly to Canadians?

There are many, did you sleep through your Social Studies classes in school?

This was one of the biggest mistakes England made in how they handled First Nations on this continent. They should have gone to war and defeated the FN's when they landed and started colonizing North America. If they had done that, rather than treating, then we wouldn't be in the situations we are in now.

 

[Twin_Moose]

You said the land belonged to another nation not Canada I am curious might be a good place to live

 

[Mowich]

Alberta energy minister will get final say over oil exports from province under proposed law

Alberta’s energy minister will wield the ultimate authority over crude oil, natural gas or refined fuels being shipped out of the province, under legislation tabled Monday.

Bill 12, The Preserving Canada’s Economic Prosperity Act, gives Minister Margaret McCuaig-Boyd extraordinary powers.

Under the act, the minister can decide if a company needs an export licence to send oil and gas outside our borders — and it’s up to her whether she’ll grant one or not.

Each application will be subjected to a public interest test. Once a licence is granted, McCuaig-Boyd will be able to set maximum quantities, dictate how products are shipped (whether it’s by rail, pipeline or road) and the licence period. She will also have the ability to direct an operator to cease transporting natural gas, crude oil or refined fuels altogether.

If companies aren’t happy with the minister’s decision, the appeals process means they’ll plead their case to cabinet; there are no legal mechanisms built into the act.

Premier Rachel Notley said Monday at a news conference the legislation isn’t going to be used immediately. In fact, she’s confident it won’t have to be used at all.

The tipping point will be May 31. That’s the deadline Kinder Morgan identified when it announced last Sunday it was halting all non-essential spending on the $7.4-billion Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project.

If the future of the project continues to look bleak, Notley said, that’s when her government might look to the legislation. In short, it will be there if Alberta needs it.

More:
Alberta energy minister will get final say over oil exports from province under proposed law | Edmonton Journal

 

[OpposingDigit]

Hi! Twin Moose

I was born in Northern Ontario and lived in Canada all my life.

Expropriation means it becomes "Federal Property" and the Province has no say.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/canad...ibly/wcm/569ea074-e0b3-48ed-86c9-4eddc88df8c7

 

[Twin_Moose]

There are many, did you sleep through your Social Studies classes in school?

This was one of the biggest mistakes England made in how they handled First Nations on this continent. They should have gone to war and defeated the FN's when they landed and started colonizing North America. If they had done that, rather than treating, then we wouldn't be in the situations we are in now.

Are you confusing Band councils with the term First nation governments?

First Nation:

A term that came into common usage in the 1970s to replace the word “Indian,” which some people found offensive. Although the term First Nation is widely used, no legal definition of it exists. Among its uses, the term “First Nations peoples” refers to the Indian peoples in Canada, both Status and non-Status. Some Indian peoples have also adopted the term “First Nation” to replace the word “band” in the name of their community.

LINK

There are currently 634[3] recognized First Nations governments or bands spread across Canada, roughly half of which are in the provinces of Ontario and British Columbia.[4]

There are no other nations with the borders of Canada there are distinct societies

 

[Kreskin]

They can and do.

Is this going to be a long series of you asking silly questions ?


I also live on Vancouver Island. I have no financial interest in the fish or tourism business, and I am willing to demand less risk for their benefit.

I am also willing to accept that at least part of the land that this pipeline travels over belongs to a nation other than Canada.

So you are no less ethically bankrupt?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Hi! Twin Moose

I was born in Northern Ontario and lived in Canada all my life.

Expropriation means it becomes "Federal Property" and the Province has no say.
The last time a B.C. NDP premier challenged federal authority, he lost horribly | Calgary Herald

Depending on the project and Canada cannot expropriate land unless it is deemed for the good for the residents of the Country or the province. In this case there is no expropriations and if there was it would be for easement and not for surface rights.

 

[gerryh]

Are you confusing Band councils with the term First nation governments?

First Nation:

LINK


There are no other nations with the borders of Canada there are distinct societies

You should have learned this in school.


Indigenous Peoples and Government Policy in Canada - The Canadian Encyclopedia

British colonial policy acknowledged Aboriginal peoples as sovereign nations.

 

[Mowich]

Thank you Premier Horgan. /s Your efforts to ensure our province's continued hindrance of the KM pipeline extension solely in order to hang on to your government have now all but ensured that BCers will be paying a lot more for everything, including gas. Fortunately for you and other Left Coaster's, the real burden of the price increases will be borne by those of us who live in the Interior. You have the luxury of public transport and ready access to other goods such as groceries which here in the Heartland have the added cost of transportation fees. Everything up here has transportation fees attached. You can take a taxi to the doctor's, dentist's or any other appointments. We don't even have taxi service in our town, and we are hardly alone in that. So thank you for making our lives that much tougher because you don't have the will or the integrity to stand up for what you know in your heart is good for this province. Shame on you.