Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

Cliffy

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Perhaps you could enhance your credibility if you would list the 10 most serious oil pipeline breeches in British Columbia and the cost of damage and rehabilitation of each!
Perhaps you could do your own research. It is a waste of time trying to discuss anything with the pro side, they are impervious to facts and when cornered they just start name calling. I ain't got time for their shit, that is why most of them are on my ignore list.

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Rachel Notley told CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show that it is “virtually impossible” for a double-hulled tanker to breach. She should tell that to the people of Port Arthur, Texas, where the Eagle Otome collided with a barge and spilled 450,000 gallons of oil; or to the people of Singapore, where the Bunga Kelana spilled nearly a million gallons; or to Shevenigen, Holland where the Mindoro spilled almost 3 million gallons. ALL THREE TANKERS WERE DOUBLE-HULLED. And the Titanic was also a double hulled boat that was supposed to be unsinkable.

Other of Notley’s assurances were equally, um, optimistic.
The danger from daily transits of Burrard Inlet by ever larger tankers is real. The danger from an expanded, over-crowded Burnaby tank farm is even worse; just ask the Burnaby Fire Department or Simon Fraser University. The NEB, and now Trudeau and Notley, have simply turned a blind eye to all the warning.
 

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Perhaps you could do your own research. It is a waste of time trying to discuss anything with the pro side, they are impervious to facts and when cornered they just start name calling. I ain't got time for their shit, that is why most of them are on my ignore list.

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Nope- the guy making the assertions should supply the proof!
 

Murphy

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That's correct. If you make an assertion, you must back it up, not just post silly pictures.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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As opposed to this.
 

Hoid

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Less than 90 days ago



The Sanchi collides with a grain carrier, burns for a week, then sinks in the PAcific with a million bbls of NG condensate.

High winds and seas stymied most of the search and rescue efforts. There was no way to contain the damage.

Premier Notely is entirely unqualified so as much as comment on maritime safety.

If it floats it can sink
 

Kreskin

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Yesterday one of the first nations leaders said their interests are solely for first nations people. He let everyone know they don't really care about other Canadians. If they can't look at interests beyond their own people then the rest of us need to rethink issues involving first nations.
 

Hoid

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Yesterday one of the first nations leaders said their interests are solely for first nations people. He let everyone know they don't really care about other Canadians. If they can't look at interests beyond their own people then the rest of us need to rethink issues involving first nations.
Because Canada decides what's what.
 

Twin_Moose

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I did some research for the question I had asked earlier today ....

Ottawa could, for instance, mention its power to expropriate land.
This was used to great effect in 1999 following a long federal-provincial dispute over a torpedo test range at Nanoose Bay, B.C. After endless provincial harassment through bylaws and court challenges, Ottawa took over the land through a ministerial order.
Would Trudeau actually do that now? The prospect is appealing, but apparently it’s not under discussion.
Braid: As Trudeau starts to act, B.C. wins a powerful new ally | The Province

The agreements in principle are already signed no need for expropriation, which country are you posting from since you know so little of Canada?

Sorry I asked this before I seen your response Petros

They never did look beyond their own tribes. Ever!

Anybody who thinks their protests are for anything more than money should take their heads out of the sand
 

Twin_Moose

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Quebec informed the Prime Minister yesterday that the transfer of oil from Alberta through Quebec WAS NOT a federal decision.

If it was the energy east pipeline would be going through.


The Morgan extension is going through because BC doe not have the same rights in Confederation that Quebec has.

'Who asked you?' Why Quebec waded into the Trans Mountain spat

Quebec's leaders spent last week sending ominous signs they don't like how this whole Trans Mountain pipeline thing is shaking out.
Premier Philippe Couillard was standing next to Justin Trudeau in Montreal when the prime minister declared on Tuesday that Ottawa was "determined to see that pipeline built" despite the opposition of the British Columbia government.
Couillard stayed quiet at the time, but grew more garrulous a few days later. "I'd be very careful," he said in comments directed at the feds.
Trudeau's intention to override B.C.'s concerns about the environmental impact of the pipeline was "not a good sign for federalism," the premier added.
On Saturday, Quebec's minister for Canadian relations, Jean-Marc Fournier, circulated an open letter , arguing Ottawa was sending the wrong message to the oil industry by backing Trans Mountain so fervently.
The federal government was encouraging "developers to ignore provincial environmental rules which were adopted in the interest of citizens who are concerned or impacted by the implementation of these projects," Fournier wrote.
"Ignoring provincial legislation in no way fosters social acceptability."
Dr. Phil's sympathy pains
For the pipeline's backers, Quebec's contribution to the controversy was hardly welcome. It has helped turbo charge an already sensitive issue; few can claim now its just a local spat between two provinces.
So why wade, uninvited, into a debate happening on the other side of the country?
One hypothesis: Couillard is experiencing sympathy pains for his B.C. counterpart, John Horgan.
Couillard could have found himself in a similar position had another oil giant, TransCanada, not dropped its plans to build the Energy East pipeline, which would have carried crude oil from Alberta to New Brunswick.
The pipeline was deeply unpopular in Quebec among federalists and sovereigntists alike. But pipelines crossing provincial boundaries fall under federal jurisdiction. Ottawa would have final say.
To counter its lack of jurisdictional clout, Quebec insisted the pipeline couldn't be built without meeting its own environmental standards.
TransCanada initially balked, but under threat of an injunction, relented and agreed to submit its project to the provincial environmental review board (known in Quebec as the BAPE).
What would Couillard have done had the BAPE recommendations run counter to the federal government's desires?
He was spared that headache when plans for the pipeline collapsed last fall. Unlike with the Trans Mountain project, Ottawa wasn't interested in shepherding Energy East through to conclusion.
A wage on cooperative federalism
But Couillard's reproaches this week are about more than dodging a bullet. His government has invested significant time, and some money, in trying to develop a new dynamic for Quebec within the federation.
Last year, it released an ambitious proposal to revisit elements of the constitution, hoping to lay the groundwork for someday — maybe, possibly — having Quebec finally sign on.
 

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Because the people who are for the pipeline are not just about the money?

If there was a single pro pipeline argument other than money there might be a lot more support for it.

The pro side is ethically bankrupt and led by someone they themselves call a Snowflake and Social Justice Warrior - because its only about money and they will follow anyone who gets them some.
 

Twin_Moose

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Because the people who are for the pipeline are not just about the money?

If there was a single pro pipeline argument other than money there might be a lot more support for it.

The pro side is ethically bankrupt and led by someone they themselves call a Snowflake and Social Justice Warrior - because its only about money and they will follow anyone who gets them some.

What business on this planet is not about the money it's the whole purpose, I'm not sitting at this worksite for my health either I'm here for the money. You say the Anti side is not about the money there is all kinds of articles on professional protesters getting paid to disrupt an industry for the benefits of another. The First Canadian industry is not about saving Mother Earth it's about getting paid, there just happens to be a few ideological fools that get caught up in the mess to make it look legit.