Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

JLM

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This is a watershed moment for JT. This is serious shit and he needs to come out of this meeting with a concrete deal between all parties involved. The Feds have numerous ways of dealing with recalcitrant provinces. Withholding transfer payments is but one of many at his disposal. The righteous anger being felt by Alberta..........and it is righteous is not felt alone. More and more Canadians are waking up to the fact that the economic future of our country is at stake. We are being held hostage to fortune by one province that even then is not united in its support of the government's stand on the pipeline. This has to get settled now.

Check out today's Power Play on the CTV website, TM........I think you will enjoy hearing what Don Martin has to say on the Last Word. Well worth your time.

J.T. is a like a fart in a mitten. Why doesn't he finish up his business overseas before flitting back to Canada? How much extra is this going to cost the taxpayer?
 

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Hoid

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I have all but given up on Canadian politicians.

All hope now rests with the First Nations of BC.
 

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I think Trudeau could not of travelled out of country without meeting the premier of BC. So he planned it so that he could tour into BC for a meeting and then leave for Europe again without answering any questions and to sit back and see how the press handles the situation before returning to Canada.
 

Hoid

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the theory that three white people are going to sit down and determine what happens on lands they have no jurisdiction over is predictably racist.
 

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Please move back to England with your parents. If you are that disgusted, you don't belong here.
 

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J.T. is a like a fart in a mitten. Why doesn't he finish up his business overseas before flitting back to Canada? How much extra is this going to cost the taxpayer?

Frankly, JLM, how much this 3-day jaunt is going to cost is the least of our problems.

All hope now rests with the First Nations of BC.

Good luck with that.

I think Trudeau could not of travelled out of country without meeting the premier of BC. So he planned it so that he could tour into BC for a meeting and then leave for Europe again without answering any questions and to sit back and see how the press handles the situation before returning to Canada.

It's hardly the press that the PM needs worry about, OD. A few million of his citizens are, to say the least, royally pissed off at him and would more than likely be very happy to see him run out of town on a rail. Two provinces are at each other's throats and Canadians are justly worried about the state of our country especially regarding the economic impact of the pipeline impasse now and on any future investments.
 

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I think the economic impact was far greater with the decision to drop the pipeline to the East.

Where were the "Angry" Canadians then? We could of been near total independent of foreign oil imports.

And, where are the money conscious Canadians who refuse to finance an oil refinery for Alberta oil and agree to let some Texan dictate the terms of our most prized possession as they pipe it to a refinery south of the border?
 

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I think the economic impact was far greater with the decision to drop the pipeline to the East.

Where were the "Angry" Canadians then? We could of been near total independent of foreign oil imports.

And, where are the money conscious Canadians who refuse to finance an oil refinery for Alberta oil and agree to let some Texan dictate the terms of our most prized possession as they pipe it to a refinery south of the border?
Most Canadians are schizophrenic with amnesia. They can't seem to be able to process one item at a time, they change their position from one topic to the next and forget what they are for and against from day to day. There is no debate any more on these forums, there is only arguing and name calling. Trying to bring facts and sense to any topic is like trying to shit through a needle.
 

JLM

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Frankly, JLM, how much this 3-day jaunt is going to cost is the least of our problems.

I suppose you're right if it was just to be the one incident, but I think it's rather typical of his impetuousness and it only takes a few times like this to add up to real money. He has until May 30 so I don't see an extra couple of days doing much harm. The other concern is PERCEPTION of what he is doing may be more important than what he does! :)

Aaaaand now petros is an MD. Is there any field in which he's not an expert?

You don't want to "sell Petros short" when it comes to knowledge! He has a lot of it. :)
 

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I think the economic impact was far greater with the decision to drop the pipeline to the East.

Where were the "Angry" Canadians then? We could of been near total independent of foreign oil imports.

And, where are the money conscious Canadians who refuse to finance an oil refinery for Alberta oil and agree to let some Texan dictate the terms of our most prized possession as they pipe it to a refinery south of the border?

Killing the Energy East line was the first shot across the bow to companies interested in investing in Canada. Killing KM will be the final volley. It will send a signal that investing in Canada is not worth the risk.

There were plenty of Canadians who were angry about stopping that line, maybe you weren't paying attention.

Oil is important to our country but our most prized possession? - hardly.
 

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And they understood that giving Quebec a ransom payment is wrong in monumental proportions, with no backbone from JT to stand up to the Montreal city council mafia, TCPL didn't want to set the wrong precedent by handing over a ransom to Quebec and they did the right thing and bowed out. When a Gov. with common sense and national urgency take control I can see Energy East may come back to life.
 

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Energy East was suspended because it was unprofitable.

Same reason KM suspended the expansion.
 

Mowich

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Energy East was suspended because it was unprofitable.

Same reason KM suspended the expansion.

"Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre’s famous last words, that the project’s cancellation was “an enormous victory,” will be forever etched in Alberta’s collective consciousness as confirmation that Energy East was sacrificed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to accommodate Quebec, which mobilized against it, and where the Liberals need votes in the next federal election."

"Mayor Coderre’s victory declaration came after he led a campaign by the Montreal Metropolitan Community, a regional organization of municipal politicians representing more than 80 area cities and towns, to oppose the project on the ground its risks far outweighed its benefits. Meanwhile, it’s not been lost on Albertans that Quebec imports foreign oil to meet its needs, as if that doesn’t come with risks."

After sabotaging Energy East, Quebec’s olive branch to Alberta will likely be rebuffed | Financial Post
 

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do you understand how much $$ it would take to grease all the palms between East Edmonton and and Westmount?


No oil CEO retires on $300K a day for making that deal.

They cant even afford afford to grease all the palms to get to Burnaby - and they already have a pipeline there - although in fairness they put it through without permission.
 

Cliffy

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Killing the Energy East line was the first shot across the bow to companies interested in investing in Canada. Killing KM will be the final volley. It will send a signal that investing in Canada is not worth the risk.

Canadians don't think Canada is worth investing in, that is why they gave foreign companies cart blanche back in the 70s to own our resources. Now Canadians are fighting to keep giving away our resources to foreign companies. That is the really sad part about this argument. Do you really think Kinder Morgan gives a fukk about jobs or the environment in Canada? Their only concern is their own profits. They must be laughing their asses off at all this fighting over their right to rape this country.