Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

[taxslave]

Me thinks taxslave should change his name to wagewhore.

If you change yours to welfare bum. If it wasn't for so many freeloaders like you taxes would be significantly lower and the rest of us could keep more of our hard earned money.

Horgan is the least of your worries. The Supreme Court of Canada declared that because BC has almost no treaties with the indigenous peoples, that most of the province belongs to them and it is the indigenous peoples who are leading the fight against the pipeline and tanker traffic. Trudeau and Kinder Morgan can posture all they want, but if they ram this abortion through, there will be law suits that will hold this up until it becomes an economic loser and Kinder Morgan pulls out. There are already several suits in the process and forcing this through before they are settled could be seen as a declaration of war.

The only Indians against the project live off the route and won't get any of the loot. As soon as the chiefs get paid the ransom all will be fine.

 

[Mowich]

www.ctvnews.ca/politics/our-interests-need-to-be-heard-indigenous-leaders-want-to-be-part-of-trans-mountain-talks-1.3885034

I believe there should be two FN representatives at the table. One from each side of the issue. AFN Chief Perry Bellegarde needs to sit this one out lest there be an undue balance of power between the pro-side and the con-side. Were I JT, I'd be on the phone right now with an invitation. There's still time, and better late than never.

 

[gerryh]

www.ctvnews.ca/politics/our-interests-need-to-be-heard-indigenous-leaders-want-to-be-part-of-trans-mountain-talks-1.3885034

I believe there should be two FN representatives at the table. One from each side of the issue. AFN Chief Perry Bellegarde needs to sit this one out lest there be an undue balance of power between the pro-side and the con-side. Were I JT, I'd be on the phone right now with an invitation. There's still time, and better late than never.

No, those directly effected by the pipeline have signed off. End of discussion. The "look at me" tribes and the "I wanna be significant" tribes can kiss our collective asses and mind their own damn business.

 

[JLM]

you're going to be waiting awhile if you expect me to get you information that is readily available to anyone who cares to look into it.

You clearly have no knowledge of or understanding of BC

Mowich no knowledge! 8O I'm nominating you JOKE of the week.

 

[darkbeaver]

Mowich no knowledge! 8O I'm nominating you JOKE of the week.

I have mentioned the Void several times. There,s nothign there and you should avoid coupulation with it, in any form, it can circumvent condoms

 

[JLM]

you're going to be waiting awhile if you expect me to get you information that is readily available to anyone who cares to look into it.

You clearly have no knowledge of or understanding of BC

And you do?

 

[Mowich]

No, those directly effected by the pipeline have signed off. End of discussion. The "look at me" tribes and the "I wanna be significant" tribes can kiss our collective asses and mind their own damn business.

Well I do agree that the 'look at me' and I wanna be significant' bands have no place there but I still feel that the PM is making a mistake by not inviting two representatives of the opposing sides.

 

[gerryh]

Well I do agree that the 'look at me' and I wanna be significant' bands have no place there but I still feel that the PM is making a mistake by not inviting two representatives of the opposing sides.

Why? The Bands directly effected, those that the Pipeline will run through, have agreements in place. They are being compensated. The ones whining and bitching are ones that are not getting a direct financial benefit from this pipeline. They should be ignored and their whining not given any credence. otherwise, like what happens with a child, they will figure that anytime they want something all they need to do is whine and cry and their perceived needs and wants will be met.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

So, here's the situation as I see it.

THIS GUY BASICALLY FORMED A GOVERNMENT AFTER THE LIBERALS WERE SORT OF
UNSEATED IN THE LAST ELECTION. BUT HE COULD NOT FORM A MINORITY GOVERNMENT
WITHOUT A LITTLE HELP. BY THE WAY, THIS GUY IS NDP.

NOW, REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU THE GUY ABOVE NEEDED HELP? WELL,
THAT'S WHERE THE GUY BELOW COMES IN. THE GUY BELOW IS A MEMBER OF THE
GREEN PARTY. GREEN PARTY? WHAT DO THEY DO? BASICALLY NOTHING EXCEPT GET
ARRESTED ON THE DIME OF THE TAXPAYER. BUT LET'S STAY FOCUSED. THE GUY
BELOW ESSENTIALLY HAS THE GUY ABOVE BY THE GONADS. SO THE GUY BELOW
HOLDS THE BALANCE OF POWER THAT CAN TOPPLE THE GUY ABOVE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THIS GAL COMES IN. I'LL GET RIGHT OUT FRONT WITH YOU AND TELL THAT THE GAL BELOW SHOULD HAVE A HELL OF A LOT IN COMMON WITH THE GUY CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH IN THE NDP, BUT ON A PIPELINE ISSUE THEY COULDN'T BE FURTHER APART. SHE WANTS TO LAY PIPE AND HE DOESN'T BUT THE COMMONALITY THEY SHARE IS THAT THEIR JOBS AS PREMIER IS ESSENTIALLY HANGING BY A THREAD.

SHE'S AFRAID THAT THE GUY BELOW IS GOING TO TAKE HER JOB.
AND SHE HAS A RIGHT TO BE AFRAID BECAUSE HE PROBABLY WILL.

THIS GUY IS JUST WAITING IN THE WINGS, PROMISING TO SCRAP THE CARBON
TAX, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THIS GUY TOO MUCH,
JUST REST ASSURED HE WILL BE THE NEXT PREMIER OF ALBERTA.

WHERE WERE WE? OH YEAH, LAYING PIPE. ANYWAY, THE MEAN OLD PIPELINE COMPANY
HAS NOW THREATENED TO PULL THE PLUG ON THE PROJECT. SO AFTER A VACATION IN
PERU WEARING GOD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF GARMENT. THE GUY BELOW IS GOING TO HAVE
A SIT DOWN WITH THE FIRST GUY AND GAL.

OOPS SORRY. DEFINITELY SOME KIND OF INDIAN PLOT INVOLVED IN MY MISTAKING THE
PRIME MINISTER AS A TERRORIST. (See Below)

AGAIN, MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES. I MEANT THE GUY BELOW. HE IS GOING TO
STRAIGHTEN THIS WHOLE MESS OUT AND GET THAT PIPE LAID. GRANTED, THERE
WILL BE LOTS OF TEARS AND PLENTY OF KLEENEX. BUT TAKE SOLACE FRIENDS. AT
LEAST HE WON'T BE GOING BACK TO INDIA.

THE HERO HAS ARRIVED!

 

[petros]

you're going to be waiting awhile if you expect me to get you information that is readily available to anyone who cares to look into it.

You clearly have no knowledge of or understanding of BC

Says the guy who voted in July for a May election.

 

[Mowich]

John Ivison: First Nations deserve to be consulted on Trans Mountain — and they have been

It is a grim irony that a Liberal government elected on a promise of renewing relations with First Nations based on “trust, respect and the true spirit of co-operation” is now being accused by some Indigenous chiefs in British Columbia of provoking a new Oka crisis.

Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, president of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, believes Justin Trudeau’s promise to build the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion ignores the inherent right of Indigenous people to free, prior and informed consent for resource projects.

“If the federal government tries to ram through the pipeline, it could mean going back to one of the darkest times in modern Canadian history: the Oka stand-off with the Mohawk Nation,” he wrote this week in an opinion article in the Globe and Mail, invoking the violent conflict that took place in Quebec in 1990 and that still makes federal politicians break out in cold sweats.

Indigenous leaders in B.C. who support the pipeline say the prospect of another Oka is real. “That’s one of my biggest fears,” said Keith Matthew, a former chief of the Simpcw First Nation in the central interior of B.C.

“There are threats and intimidation that mean a lot of Aboriginal leaders are afraid to speak up. It’s not politically correct to say, ‘I support economic development,’” said Ellis Ross, a Liberal MLA in Victoria and a former chief councillor of the Haisla Nation.

Matthew said leaders like Phillip have misled many Indigenous people about the role of pipelines and resource projects.

“He’s full of crap. A lot of elected leaders have a responsibility to look after the welfare of their people. Stewart Phillip has none of those responsibilities. He stands on his soapbox because he doesn’t have to answer to anyone. Quite honestly, he’s hurting a lot of people in rural communities who depend on these major projects,” said Matthew.

Ross also condemned a “vocal minority” who want to block Trans Mountain.

“What really bugs me most of all is that that these leaders opposing the project do not care about individuals suffering in poverty.

These leaders are getting all their perks and are leading the opposition to people digging themselves out of poverty,” he said.

Matthew is now a private business-owner but was part of the negotiating team that hammered out a mutual-benefit agreement on behalf of the Simpcw with Kinder Morgan, a process that took 18 months.

Trans Mountain crosses 92 streams as it runs through Simpcw territory, and there were concerns about the impact on the environment, the consequence for the First Nation’s titles and rights, and the financial benefits that might flow to them from the 20-year agreement.

The upshot was a referendum among the Simpcw that yielded 80-per-cent support for the negotiated agreement — free, prior and informed consent, by any measure.

Phillip has called Trans Mountain “a learning moment for Canada,” and, one way or another, it promises to be just that. As Ross put it, if the activists win the day, it will set a precedent. “It won’t stop after that,” he said.

Trudeau seems to be determined that the rule of law will prevail but keeping moderate British Columbians on side is a fine balance.

Ottawa could hold back $4 billion intended to flow to the province in the form of infrastructure payments, mostly for Vancouver’s transit project, but that might prove counterproductive. Invoking the Emergencies Act might also be seen in B.C. as an overreaction.

The latest betting in Ottawa is that the government will call on the Conservative opposition to support risk management legislation that reasserts the federal government’s jurisdictional primacy and provides financing to backstop the expansion.

The sense is that there is insufficient time to negotiate a complex equity deal that would see the federal government itself take a stake in Trans Mountain.

Trudeau will return to Ottawa from Peru this Sunday to meet with B.C. premier John Horgan and Alberta premier Rachel Notley, but the expectations that a deal can be hammered out are lower than a well-digger’s keister.

Horgan is said to be concerned that capitulation on the issue could see some members of his Cabinet defect to the Green Party, and cost him the Green support he needs to prop up his minority government, potentially ending his tenure in the best job he’s ever going to have.

“John is a pro-resource guy who is probably personally in favour of Trans Mountain, but people say he is worried about his coalition with the Greens,” said one federal government official who knows Horgan.

Horgan’s strategy is said to be to delay the project to death — or at least until the courts force him to buckle.

This is perhaps Trudeau’s best hope — that the silent majority of British Columbians recognize the leaders trying to block the Trans Mountain expansion are self-interested, short-sighted and irresponsible.

The proponents of Trans Mountain — corporate and Indigenous – have operated within the rules. If its opponents do not, right-thinking people from coast to coast to coast should register their disapproval and disgust.

John Ivison: First Nations deserve to be consulted on Trans Mountain

 

[Hoid]

So, here's the situation as I see it.

THIS GUY BASICALLY FORMED A GOVERNMENT AFTER THE LIBERALS WERE SORT OF
UNSEATED IN THE LAST ELECTION. BUT HE COULD NOT FORM A MINORITY GOVERNMENT
WITHOUT A LITTLE HELP. BY THE WAY, THIS GUY IS NDP.

NOW, REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU THE GUY ABOVE NEEDED HELP? WELL,
THAT'S WHERE THE GUY BELOW COMES IN. THE GUY BELOW IS A MEMBER OF THE
GREEN PARTY. GREEN PARTY? WHAT DO THEY DO? BASICALLY NOTHING EXCEPT GET
ARRESTED ON THE DIME OF THE TAXPAYER. BUT LET'S STAY FOCUSED. THE GUY
BELOW ESSENTIALLY HAS THE GUY ABOVE BY THE GONADS. SO THE GUY BELOW
HOLDS THE BALANCE OF POWER THAT CAN TOPPLE THE GUY ABOVE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THIS GAL COMES IN. I'LL GET RIGHT OUT FRONT WITH YOU AND TELL THAT THE GAL BELOW SHOULD HAVE A HELL OF A LOT IN COMMON WITH THE GUY CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH IN THE NDP, BUT ON A PIPELINE ISSUE THEY COULDN'T BE FURTHER APART. SHE WANTS TO LAY PIPE AND HE DOESN'T BUT THE COMMONALITY THEY SHARE IS THAT THEIR JOBS AS PREMIER IS ESSENTIALLY HANGING BY A THREAD.

SHE'S AFRAID THAT THE GUY BELOW IS GOING TO TAKE HER JOB.
AND SHE HAS A RIGHT TO BE AFRAID BECAUSE HE PROBABLY WILL.

THIS GUY IS JUST WAITING IN THE WINGS, PROMISING TO SCRAP THE CARBON
TAX, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THIS GUY TOO MUCH,
JUST REST ASSURED HE WILL BE THE NEXT PREMIER OF ALBERTA.

WHERE WERE WE? OH YEAH, LAYING PIPE. ANYWAY, THE MEAN OLD PIPELINE COMPANY
HAS NOW THREATENED TO PULL THE PLUG ON THE PROJECT. SO AFTER A VACATION IN
PERU WEARING GOD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF GARMENT. THE GUY BELOW IS GOING TO HAVE
A SIT DOWN WITH THE FIRST GUY AND GAL.

OOPS SORRY. DEFINITELY SOME KIND OF INDIAN PLOT INVOLVED IN MY MISTAKING THE
PRIME MINISTER AS A TERRORIST. (See Below)

AGAIN, MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES. I MEANT THE GUY BELOW. HE IS GOING TO
STRAIGHTEN THIS WHOLE MESS OUT AND GET THAT PIPE LAID. GRANTED, THERE
WILL BE LOTS OF TEARS AND PLENTY OF KLEENEX. BUT TAKE SOLACE FRIENDS. AT
LEAST HE WON'T BE GOING BACK TO INDIA.

THE HERO HAS ARRIVED!

What an awfully long and loud description omitting all reference to a)Frist nations, or b)right vs wrong.

because the real story is how much people who have no skin in the game feel about all the white people involved in it.

Here is the actual state of affairs as regards the KM expansion.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...t-kinder-morgan-approval-federal-court-appeal

 

[Mowich]

What an awfully long and loud description omitting all reference to a)Frist nations...

See John Ivison's article for an eye-opener on how forward-thinking FNs feel about the pipeline.

 

[taxslave]

What an awfully long and loud description omitting all reference to a)Frist nations, or b)right vs wrong.

because the real story is how much people who have no skin in the game feel about all the white people involved in it.

Here is the actual state of affairs as regards the KM expansion.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...t-kinder-morgan-approval-federal-court-appeal

Not even close to relevant. We no longer care what the anti work crowd does or doesn't do, the pipeline will get built. The pathetic excuses for humanity that stand in the way had best move of their own accord or be shoved aside.
Taxpayers have had enough of the BS passed off and financed by US interests and swallowed wholesale by stupid Canadians.

 

[JLM]

Not even close to relevant. We no longer care what the anti work crowd does or doesn't do, the pipeline will get built. The pathetic excuses for humanity that stand in the way had best move of their own accord or be shoved aside.
Taxpayers have had enough of the BS passed off and financed by US interests and swallowed wholesale by stupid Canadians.

Couldn't have said it any better myself!

 

[Hoid]

See John Ivison's article for an eye-opener on how forward-thinking FNs feel about the pipeline.

Forward thinking First Nations?

You have already informed us that all First Nations support the pipeline expansion.

 

[Mowich]

Forward thinking First Nations?

You have already informed us that all First Nations support the pipeline expansion.

Hoidy, hoidy, hoidy. If I were a mean, nasty, bitter person I might respond with 'sucks to be you'. But I won't as I realize that would constitute picking on the intellectually challenged. Instead, I will add your name to my prayers for all those who suffer from debilitating and incurable impediments to their well-being.

Peace, brother.

 

[Hoid]

Finally Quebec breaks their silence on the pipeline expansion issue:

"The recent assertions of federal representatives regarding the Trans Mountain pipeline, which refer to an exclusive application of federal rules, are detrimental to a proper resolution of this issue and raise concerns for the future,"

and from the eastern First Nations:

"We understand the frustration and exasperation of First Nations that demand this project be abandoned once and for all,"

Quebec politicians decry federal response to Kinder Morgan pipeline extension | CBC News

 

[Mowich]

Finally Quebec breaks their silence on the pipeline expansion issue:

"The recent assertions of federal representatives regarding the Trans Mountain pipeline, which refer to an exclusive application of federal rules, are detrimental to a proper resolution of this issue and raise concerns for the future,"

and from the eastern First Nations:

"We understand the frustration and exasperation of First Nations that demand this project be abandoned once and for all,"

Quebec politicians decry federal response to Kinder Morgan pipeline extension | CBC News

"We understand the frustration and exasperation of First Nations that demand this project be abandoned once and for all,"

Edited:

They do, do they. Well then, how about Quebec forgo a few million in transfer payments so that the money can be used to help all the Albertans who will be adversely affected. And, in a true gesture of support all the Eastern FNs can contribute their share of them to the Western FNs who will also suffer should the extension fail to be realized.

 

[Hoid]

Odd that you aren't claiming all eastern First Nations already support the expansion.