Kelly McParland: How decades of Liberal indifference created Danielle Smith

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I would prefer the conservative plan for the transition. Pink slip and security will escort you out.
 
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I would prefer the conservative plan for the transition. Pink slip and security will escort you out.
“The transition to a low-carbon economy will have an uneven impact across sectors, occupations and regions, and create significant labour market disruptions.

“We expect that larger-scale transformations will take place in agriculture (about 292,000 workers; 1.5 per cent of Canada’s employment); energy (about 202,000 workers; one per cent of Canada’s employment); manufacturing (about 193,000 workers; one per cent of Canada’s employment); buildings (about 1.4 million workers; seven per cent of Canada’s employment); and transportation sectors (about 642,000 workers; three per cent of Canada’s employment).”

In response to subsequent outrage, the government said the figures merely represented the size of each workforce that will be affected, not the actual jobs that will be lost.

However, the briefing document did note that the oil and gas-producing provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador will be disproportionately affected. (As long as Ontario and Quebec are not so perturbed, all is well.)
Pierre Trudeau’s National Energy Plan of the 1980s was a tickle under the arm compared to this. “Just transition” is a fist in the mouth.

Sitting on the molehill of a 31 per cent minority government, the Trudeau Liberals are setting about to shut down oil and gas, revamp forestry and agriculture, and let loose Niagara-sized plumes of government subsidy to every dubious “net-zero” fantasy OK’d by their favourite “consultants.”
 

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“The transition to a low-carbon economy will have an uneven impact across sectors, occupations and regions, and create significant labour market disruptions.

“We expect that larger-scale transformations will take place in agriculture (about 292,000 workers; 1.5 per cent of Canada’s employment); energy (about 202,000 workers; one per cent of Canada’s employment); manufacturing (about 193,000 workers; one per cent of Canada’s employment); buildings (about 1.4 million workers; seven per cent of Canada’s employment); and transportation sectors (about 642,000 workers; three per cent of Canada’s employment).”

In response to subsequent outrage, the government said the figures merely represented the size of each workforce that will be affected, not the actual jobs that will be lost.

However, the briefing document did note that the oil and gas-producing provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador will be disproportionately affected. (As long as Ontario and Quebec are not so perturbed, all is well.)
Pierre Trudeau’s National Energy Plan of the 1980s was a tickle under the arm compared to this. “Just transition” is a fist in the mouth.

Sitting on the molehill of a 31 per cent minority government, the Trudeau Liberals are setting about to shut down oil and gas, revamp forestry and agriculture, and let loose Niagara-sized plumes of government subsidy to every dubious “net-zero” fantasy OK’d by their favourite “consultants.”
The Conservatives in India were on to the $22.5M earmarked to create jobs in Alberta. With record oil output at high prices $22.5M is chump change from a genuine chump.

If Alberta needed $22.5M they could borrow it from Saskatchewan without any strings.

 

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If the federal government’s “Just Transition” program for workers who will be laid off in Canada’s transformation into a green energy superpower is as great as the Liberals and their media apologists claim, where is it?

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised it in the 2019 federal election and Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson said recently he hopes to unveil it early this year.

But when the federal environment commissioner, part of the auditor general’s office, reported on the progress of the government’s just transition program in April 2022, presumably after three years of planning, he concluded there wasn’t one.

“We found that as Canada shifts its focus to low-carbon alternatives, the government is not prepared to provide appropriate support to more than 50 communities and 170,000 workers in the fossil fuels sector,” Jerry DeMarco said.

In the case of phasing out coal, DeMarco reported, “the transition was being handled on a business-as-usual basis, relying on existing program mechanisms such as the employment insurance program to deliver support.”

Well, I guess unemployment is a transition from employed.

Just days into 2023, Trudeau signalled that controversial new “just transition” legislation, aimed at moving oil and gas workers to “green” jobs, would be introduced this year. In targeting Alberta’s most sacrosanct industry, just transition seems almost tailor-made to goad Smith into using the sovereignty act.
 

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Haul it away, haul it away
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How much "government support" did their fathers get when the Maritimes fishery collapsed?

You do realize that having the government carry you from one job to the next, however long that takes, is pretty much the definition of socialism, right?
 
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How much "government support" did their fathers get when the Maritimes fishery collapsed?
quite a lot. And the fisheries collapsed due to gov't mismanagement from a gov't they all voted for. Fossil fuels are not 'collapsing', the gov't is deliberately shutting it down despite the fact it's very economically viable. So if the gov't wants to interfere, then it has a duty to be responsible for the consequences of it's socialist actions.
You do realize that having the government carry you from one job to the next, however long that takes, is pretty much the definition of socialism, right?

LOL - and suddenly he's worried about protecting capitalism :)

You do realize that if the gov't, NOT market forces, is what shuts your job down for political and not economic reasons then the gov't has a DUTY to take responsibility for those actions. This isn't some industry 'collapsing' due to no longer being profitable. We HAVEN"T moved on to 'green energy' yet. In the last few months TWO of our major allies have stopped by begging us to help them with MORE of this industry.

So this is a case where the gov't is deliberately obstructing people's livelyhoods - which is a lot closer to actual socialism. As a result of their actions, the free market has been unfairly disturbed and the workers who are impacted deserve some assistance from that gov't who deliberately destroyed their jobs.

Pretty simple.
 

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quite a lot. And the fisheries collapsed due to gov't mismanagement from a gov't they all voted for. Fossil fuels are not 'collapsing', the gov't is deliberately shutting it down despite the fact it's very economically viable. So if the gov't wants to interfere, then it has a duty to be responsible for the consequences of it's socialist actions.


LOL - and suddenly he's worried about protecting capitalism :)

You do realize that if the gov't, NOT market forces, is what shuts your job down for political and not economic reasons then the gov't has a DUTY to take responsibility for those actions. This isn't some industry 'collapsing' due to no longer being profitable. We HAVEN"T moved on to 'green energy' yet. In the last few months TWO of our major allies have stopped by begging us to help them with MORE of this industry.

So this is a case where the gov't is deliberately obstructing people's livelyhoods - which is a lot closer to actual socialism. As a result of their actions, the free market has been unfairly disturbed and the workers who are impacted deserve some assistance from that gov't who deliberately destroyed their jobs.

Pretty simple.
Saskatchewan is leading Canada in growth and real GDP with Alberta coming in 2nd. Sask will lead for the next 10 years. We don't need transitional handouts with unemployment rates under 5%.

How? Why? Because we're defying Trudeau's ridiculous vision.
 

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Your figures may be a little out of date, currently Sask is experiencing a decline in gdp:

However - it would not surprise me to see them being a leader or close to in growth in the next few years. But the difference again is that Ottawa isn't shutting down Saskatchewan's primary industries - the natural ebb and flow of the market forces will ensure that Saskatchewan recovers at some point on it's own.

How? Why? Because we're defying Trudeau's ridiculous vision.

Exactly - despite a downturn in GDP the province is still doing well and as long as Trudeau is kept out of it and is kept from destroying the farm industry like he did the oil (and he's been poking at it) then Sask will, as it always has, keep it's people working.
 

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They arent trying to shut down SK O&G or fertilizer?​

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Saskatchewan and Alberta poised to lead growth in Canada in coming years​

December 01, 2022 11:50 ET| Source: OTTAWA, Dec. 01, 2022 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Canadian provinces will be seeing constrained economic performance throughout the remainder of 2022 and through to 2024, although at varying rates according to new research from The Conference Board of Canada. As highlighted in previous forecasts, Saskatchewan and Alberta are projected to lead real GDP growth among the provinces.

“Rising interest rates are applying pressure across the country, but other more specific factors are affecting provincial outlooks unevenly,” stated Ted Mallett, Director, Economic Forecasting for The Conference Board of Canada. “Although the country as a whole is in for a few quarters of effectively zero growth, prospects for the provinces vary considerably—broadly in keeping with our previous forecasts.”

Driven by a global reorganization of the potash and uranium markets, as well as significantly improved crop production compared to 2021, Saskatchewan’s real GDP growth is forecast to reach 6.8 per cent in 2022. Production of both potash and uranium in the province is expected to grow over the next few years.

The Conference Board of Canada projects the province’s economy will expand an additional 3.6 per cent in 2023 and 2.6 per cent in 2024.

Alberta’s oil and gas sector had a challenging start to the year, but production rebounded significantly during the second quarter, and The Conference Board of Canada expects the industry’s output has continued to increase during the second half of the year, thanks in part to increased drilling activity.

The sector is also responsible for Alberta’s fiscal turnaround this year, with the province now expecting a massive surplus thanks to higher-than-expected energy prices. Alberta’s real output for 2022 is forecast to expand 4.7 per cent, with anticipated growth of 2.8 per cent in 2023 and 2.7 per cent in 2024.

We've fared well here over the past 20 years.
 
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Saskatchewan: The Saviour

According to a recent report by Western investors, Saskatchewan is poised for an economic boom in 2023. The report stresses, that the provincial economy, particularly in the southeast area, will see a boom beginning in 2023 led by resource industries.

To be honest, several major economic forecasts are also backing these claims. Along with Alberta, Saskatchewan is taking the lead in several key indicators of economic growth, with recent reports by Statistics Canada showing Saskatchewan led in investment in building construction, manufacturing sales, and wholesale trade in 2022.

Saskatchewan is once again a national leader in several key indicators of economic growth, with recent reports by Statistics Canada showing Saskatchewan showed growth in building construction, manufacturing sales, and wholesale trade in July 2022.

Strong commodity prices have fuelled strong interest in Saskatchewan farmland and put the province at the top of the charts in terms of value growth, according to Farm Credit Canada (FCC).

Agriculture also boomed in Saskatchewan in 2022 as the province led western Canada with an increase of 8.4 percent in the first six months of 2022—according to FCC, which released its mid-year farmland values report on Oct. 4—compared to a national average gain of 8.1 percent.
 
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Saskatchewan: The Saviour

According to a recent report by Western investors, Saskatchewan is poised for an economic boom in 2023. The report stresses, that the provincial economy, particularly in the southeast area, will see a boom beginning in 2023 led by resource industries.

To be honest, several major economic forecasts are also backing these claims. Along with Alberta, Saskatchewan is taking the lead in several key indicators of economic growth, with recent reports by Statistics Canada showing Saskatchewan led in investment in building construction, manufacturing sales, and wholesale trade in 2022.

Saskatchewan is once again a national leader in several key indicators of economic growth, with recent reports by Statistics Canada showing Saskatchewan showed growth in building construction, manufacturing sales, and wholesale trade in July 2022.

Strong commodity prices have fuelled strong interest in Saskatchewan farmland and put the province at the top of the charts in terms of value growth, according to Farm Credit Canada (FCC).

Agriculture also boomed in Saskatchewan in 2022 as the province led western Canada with an increase of 8.4 percent in the first six months of 2022—according to FCC, which released its mid-year farmland values report on Oct. 4—compared to a national average gain of 8.1 percent.
Trudeau is going to be pissed!
 

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Trudeau is going to be pissed!
There’s always a way to try to throttle it down like an increasing carbon tax, or Trudeau’s clean fuel standard (which is a separate carbon tax on top of the carbon tax that increases every year on April Fools Day), or bureaucratic traffic lights to hold up things indefinitely, or throwing a switch with federal legislation to just shut down entire industries or try to, etc…. Just got a hold out until mid 2025…
 

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They arent trying to shut down SK O&G or fertilizer?
Trying, yes. But so far Sask has managed to avoid that. Which is why as LONG as they avoid ottawa destroying farming... :)

Saskatchewan and Alberta are projected to lead real GDP growth among the provinces.
As i said, that wouldn't surprise me at all. They've been lagging a bit but now their time to severely make up lost ground and then some appears to be here - EXCEPT for alberta if Justin is allowed to have his way.

 

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There’s always a way to try to throttle it down like an increasing carbon tax, or Trudeau’s clean fuel standard (which is a separate carbon tax on top of the carbon tax that increases every year on April Fools Day), or bureaucratic traffic lights to hold up things indefinitely, or throwing a switch with federal legislation to just shut down entire industries or try to, etc…. Just got a hold out until mid 2025…
Sadly this is true. Justin is bound and determined to stop the oil industry and alberta's financial engines.
 

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Trying, yes. But so far Sask has managed to avoid that. Which is why as LONG as they avoid ottawa destroying farming... :)


As i said, that wouldn't surprise me at all. They've been lagging a bit but now their time to severely make up lost ground and then some appears to be here - EXCEPT for alberta if Justin is allowed to have his way.
Farming? You're pretty uneducated about Sask it appears.

Oil, gas and mining is our bread and butter.


Facts and accuracy....
 

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Farming? You're pretty uneducated about Sask it appears.
Ummmmm - nothing there actually said it wasn't. This isn't going to be another one of those conversations where i have to explain everything to you again, i mean i'm basically agreeing with what you're saying and yes, algriculture IS a rather important part of your province's economy and labour force.

And as i've explained before, gdp is not the same as employment. GDP is more of an indicator of productivity and profits, usually for corps. Its' a very important statistic but you can't just use it for everything, and it's not an indicator of employment or individual consumer health directly, although it tends to indirectly have minor correlations.

As you can see at the link below agriculture directly employs far more people than oil, gas. mining, forestry quarrying and aquaculture combined.


I mean seriously bud - you LIVE there and you didn't know that? A hit to the agricultural industry has a massive impact on whether or not sask people are employed.

Compare that to alberta, where oil and gas employment dwarfs agriculture as a rule.


So a hit to the oil and gas industry really hurts their job market badly.

In any case, what the feds may very well target in Sask is agriculture more so than oil. And if they do that will screw up sask's recovery in ANOTHER example of the feds interfering with a free market system which would have handled the economic problems nicely.

They ARE going to mess up oil it would seem, which will blunt alberta's recovery. And if they're going to do that, then they have to take responsibility for it.