Kelly McParland: How decades of Liberal indifference created Danielle Smith

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Start with how we arent the top economy leading growth, our top money maker isn't under attack like Alberta, how fertilizer isn't under attack and how a hit to farming will cripple us.

Use facts and accuracy please.
 

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Start with how we arent the top economy leading growth,
According to the info YOU posted, you're not. You're expected to be moving forward. According to statcan you have been one of the worst performers for the last few years leading up to now. But everyone expects that to change.

You think that because it's expected to change that somehow it's true now. That's not how numbers work.

our top money maker isn't under attack like Alberta
Your top money maker isn't oil. As i proved again with statcan numbers. Oil doesn't even bring as much employment in as farming, it's actually a fair ways down the list. Oil actually IS one of the primary employers in Alberta.
how fertilizer isn't under attack
I was the one who said it was. I pointed out that it hasn't been successful YET but that things will get bad if trudeau is successful there. Did you forget that? How's that attention span of yours doing today?

So i see we're at the point where you're so upset at being wrong again that you can't even keep straight what you were wrong about or what other people said. You need to calm down.
how a hit to farming will cripple us.
Yes. A hit to farming, one of your prime industries that employs considerably more people than oil and gas, would be crippling.' It's pretty simple.


Those are the facts, and they are accurate :) Sorry little guy :)

You appear desperate to try to find some sort of 'win' having felt you've 'lost' the last few discussions because you got your facts wrong. But you're being very weird about it because i was essentially supporting your original statement that Sask doesn't need help because the gov't isn't being allowed to screw it over (yet). And i did say that while the evidence is clear that Sask hasn't been doing well the last few years that moving forward i would be willing to bet they'll be at or near the top.

Sooooooo.... you're just arguing for the sake of it? Because it looks pretty silly when you do that AND you've got your facts wrong like that :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Just slow down in the future and actually read the stuff you find on google before posting, you'll be fine. Kay kiddo?
 

Ron in Regina

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Weirdness. This:
Says this:
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But elsewhere I find this:
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They do disagree in %’ages…
Then This below:
….says this:
EXPORTSIn 2021, Canada's Saskatchewan exported C$ 37.1B, making it the 5th largest exporter out of the 13 exporters in Canada. In 2021 the top exports of Saskatchewan were Petroleum oils, oils from bituminous minerals,... (C$ 8.64B), Potassium chloride, in packs >10 kg (C$ 7.11B), Oil seeds: low erucic acid rape... (C$ 3.59B), Cereals: wheat and meslin, other than... (C$ 2.62B), and Vegetable oils: low erucic acid rape...(C$ 1.78B).

IMPORTSIn 2021, Canada's Saskatchewan imported C$ 11.1B, making it the 7th largest importer out of the 13 importers in Canada. In 2021 top imports of Saskatchewan were Trailers for housing or camping (C$ 338M), Combine harvester-threshers (C$ 327M), Petroleum oils, oils from bituminous minerals,... (C$ 311M), Herbicides, anti-sprouting products and plant-growth regulators (C$ 294M), and Monoammonium phosphate & mix with diammonium,... (C$ 256M).
 
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Weirdness.
Less weird than you might think. GDP is calculated a few different ways, AND different sources 'combine' different sectors.

For example - in the data you posted fishing is part of agriculture, wheras in the data i posted it's part of the same group as 'mining and oil'.

GDP at the end of the day is essentially the value of goods produced, and for service industries (such as nurses and gov't and accountants etc) it's the value of their pay (it assumes all 'hourly' service work is profit basically) - but some calculations include or exclude certain things.

GDP is important and a valuable metric (assuming you understand the source) but it's not actually a great way to take a true snapshot of a province's economy specific to the people who live there.
 

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….GDP is important and a valuable metric (assuming you understand the source) but it's not actually a great way to take a true snapshot of a province's economy specific to the people who live there.
For the sake of this thread and debate, let’s say that Saskatchewan is second only to Alberta in Canada in petroleum production, with 10% of Canadian reserves in oil and 25% of Canadian reserves in natural gas. On that note, The NDP/Lib’s sacrificing the major contributor to the Alberta economy & a very significant contributor to the Saskatchewan economy upon the alter of Green Posing Wokeness is not going to go over well at best.

“Just(-in) Transition” isn’t feeling very Just. Germany & Japan must be equally baffled and confused by the Trudeau Transition Lectures as they leave to shop elsewhere for their essential needs that Canada could have fulfilled. Phasing out this industry is a political posturing as opposed to an economic reality for the next several decades at least. It’s shooting Canada in the foot & not just Alberta & Saskatchewan.
 

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sacrificing the major contributor to the Alberta economy & a very significant contributor to the Saskatchewan economy upon the alter of Green Posing Wokeness is not going to go over well at best.
Well lets be honest - the liberals sacrificing a MINOR part of the sask economy woudln't go over well :) If we're talking about the popularity of this kind of thing then even going after ALBERTA ALONE wouldn't play well in Sask.

But it will play well in most of the major metros, especially the eastern ones. Which is the problem of course. Saskatchewan already isn't going to vote liberal. Neither is alberta. Going after fertilizer has proven slightly more 'iffy' - but he's obviously not ready to give up on it yet.

“Just(-in) Transition” isn’t feeling very Just. Germany & Japan must be equally baffled and confused by the Trudeau Transition Lectures as they leave to shop elsewhere for their essential needs that Canada could have fulfilled.
Japan is baffled. Germany i think is realizing it's beginning to reap the whirlwind of its' own backing of "green" religion, such as when it shut down it's own reactors. I think it just hit home that you can't "transition" without the tech in place to switch to. We'll see if this starts to resonate with the German woke. Or Volkswoken or whatever they call them over there :)

. Phasing out this industry is a political posturing as opposed to an economic reality for the next several decades at least. It’s shooting Canada in the foot & not just Alberta & Saskatchewan.
Oh for sure. It's horrible. Even if they DID have jobs to magically 'transition' people into - which they don't, which is the whole point.

And this is not the end, nor will it end with harm to just those two provinces. Remember - it's oil and GAS that's being targeted. BC actually produces a fair bit of both. While Sask might be the second largest oil producer, BC is the second largest gas producer and is hoping to ramp that up.

And while newfoundland might not be a heavy weight in oil, it's small size and poor economy make that industry critical.

AND - it doesn't stop there. The whole "Green plan", if we ever see one, is also supposed to target Agriculture (We've already seen a taste of that) as well as steel, Pulp and paper, chemical production, forestry, lime and gypsum, cement (another big one for bc) etc.

If they actually did what they say they want to do, Canada would pretty much be a third world country.
 

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Other than being a customer WTF does SK farming have to do with the fertilizer industry?
That's like saying "other than being patients what do people have to do with the medical industry?" :)

The gov't is looking at imposing very serious and possibly crippling restrictions or conditions on the use of fertilizer in the agricultural industry. Depending on what and how, it could have a very very serious negative effect on that industry. Fertilizer is a very important part of farming and a large cost.
 

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Well lets be honest - the liberals sacrificing a MINOR part of the sask economy woudln't go over well :) If we're talking about the popularity of this kind of thing then even going after ALBERTA ALONE wouldn't play well in Sask.

But it will play well in most of the major metros, especially the eastern ones. Which is the problem of course. Saskatchewan already isn't going to vote liberal. Neither is alberta. Going after fertilizer has proven slightly more 'iffy' - but he's obviously not ready to give up on it yet.


Japan is baffled. Germany i think is realizing it's beginning to reap the whirlwind of its' own backing of "green" religion, such as when it shut down it's own reactors. I think it just hit home that you can't "transition" without the tech in place to switch to. We'll see if this starts to resonate with the German woke. Or Volkswoken or whatever they call them over there :)


Oh for sure. It's horrible. Even if they DID have jobs to magically 'transition' people into - which they don't, which is the whole point.

And this is not the end, nor will it end with harm to just those two provinces. Remember - it's oil and GAS that's being targeted. BC actually produces a fair bit of both. While Sask might be the second largest oil producer, BC is the second largest gas producer and is hoping to ramp that up.

And while newfoundland might not be a heavy weight in oil, it's small size and poor economy make that industry critical.

AND - it doesn't stop there. The whole "Green plan", if we ever see one, is also supposed to target Agriculture (We've already seen a taste of that) as well as steel, Pulp and paper, chemical production, forestry, lime and gypsum, cement (another big one for bc) etc.

If they actually did what they say they want to do, Canada would pretty much be a third world country.
There is potash in them there hills . Do you have hills ?
 
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That's like saying "other than being patients what do people have to do with the medical industry?" :)

The gov't is looking at imposing very serious and possibly crippling restrictions or conditions on the use of fertilizer in the agricultural industry. Depending on what and how, it could have a very very serious negative effect on that industry. Fertilizer is a very important part of farming and a large cost.
Let’s explain fishing to a fisherman .
 

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Well lets be honest - the liberals sacrificing a MINOR part of the sask economy woudln't go over well :)
EXPORTSIn 2021, Canada's Saskatchewan exported C$ 37.1B, making it the 5th largest exporter out of the 13 exporters in Canada. In 2021 the top exports of Saskatchewan were Petroleum oils, oils from bituminous minerals,... (C$ 8.64B)…
$8.64B/$37.1B= A Shitload. If about a quarter of your personal revenue or income was removed so a Politician could get more votes in Vancouver/GTA/Montreal/Etc…would that still be minor?

In what world is 20-25% or $8,640,000,000.00 MINOR? That’s the difference in exports from Saskatchewan that Oil & Gas makes.
If we're talking about the popularity of this kind of thing then even going after ALBERTA ALONE wouldn't play well in Sask.
It shouldn’t play well anywhere in Canada if we’re not being divided amongst ourselves for political gamesmanship.
But it will play well in most of the major metros, especially the eastern ones.
It shouldn’t if they’re thinking of Canada’s wellbeing as a whole, but here we are.
Which is the problem of course. Saskatchewan already isn't going to vote liberal. Neither is alberta.
Go figure. Not much incentive. Would you vote for a political entity that wants to decimate 1/4 of your economic activity while taxing your existence not to reduce debt to make life better for your children & grandchildren…but for his own woke bullshit legacy in his own mind?
Going after fertilizer has proven slightly more 'iffy' - but he's obviously not ready to give up on it yet.
How does going after fertilizer affect Vancouver Or Montreal Or Toronto directly? Tell me about the potash mines in these metropolitan areas or provinces that they’re in?
Japan is baffled. Germany i think is realizing it's beginning to reap the whirlwind of its' own backing of "green" religion, such as when it shut down its own reactors.
Yep, so Germany went looking for a reliable supplier of ethically supplied sustainably sourced Natural Gas (not Unicorn Farts) from an ally….& after a Trudeau lecture they lowered their standards because they needed Natural Gas and not a lecture.
I think it just hit home that you can't "transition" without the tech in place to switch to.
Especially if there’s only a “Catchphrase” to transition to. All hat & no Cowboy.
We'll see if this starts to resonate with the German woke. Or Volkswoken or whatever they call them over there :)


Oh for sure. It's horrible. Even if they DID have jobs to magically 'transition' people into - which they don't, which is the whole point.
The Trudeau government is relying on existing programs like unemployment insurance as the transition to unemployment. That’s pretty blatantly shortsighted and indifferent.
And this is not the end, nor will it end with harm to just those two provinces. Remember - it's oil and GAS that's being targeted. BC actually produces a fair bit of both. While Sask might be the second largest oil producer, BC is the second largest gas producer and is hoping to ramp that up.
As they (BC) should. The world needs another stable supply of Natural Gas to replace Coal in other nations which will actually accomplish this environmental goals that Trudeau’s soundbites sure as shit aren’t doing.
And while newfoundland might not be a heavy weight in oil, it's small size and poor economy make that industry critical.
For Sure!!
AND - it doesn't stop there. The whole "Green plan", if we ever see one, is also supposed to target Agriculture (We've already seen a taste of that) as well as steel, Pulp and paper, chemical production, forestry, lime and gypsum, cement (another big one for bc) etc.
Agriculture isn’t just Fertilizer, but diesel for equipment, & propane for grain dryers, and so on & so forth… and everything has to be shipped both to and from each farm, which is more diesel…
If they actually did what they say they want to do, Canada would pretty much be a third world country.
Yep. Some parts more than others depending on the scapegoats to get those Vancouver/GTA/Montreal votes…
 

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For the sake of this thread and debate, let’s say that Saskatchewan is second only to Alberta in Canada in petroleum production, with 10% of Canadian reserves in oil and 25% of Canadian reserves in natural gas. On that note, The NDP/Lib’s sacrificing the major contributor to the Alberta economy & a very significant contributor to the Saskatchewan economy upon the alter of Green Posing Wokeness is not going to go over well at best.

“Just(-in) Transition” isn’t feeling very Just. Germany & Japan must be equally baffled and confused by the Trudeau Transition Lectures as they leave to shop elsewhere for their essential needs that Canada could have fulfilled. Phasing out this industry is a political posturing as opposed to an economic reality for the next several decades at least. It’s shooting Canada in the foot & not just Alberta & Saskatchewan.
Our O&G reserves make Alberta's a joke. You'd have to have to be crazy to think that the Phanerozoic ended at the border.

If you've paid attention you'd know Phanerozoic bullshit is highly interesting to me but my MSc and career life is rooted in the Pre Cambrian THO aka Trans Hudson Orogen and the birth of North America where the Churchhill Craton smashed into the Superior Craton. Copper and gold galore.

Shit like this.

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Yup, it is what you think it is. 22%Au 36%Cu the rest Fe Si Mg S C and trace elements.


Cool shit but anywhore . From SK geology to politics.

It's taken Saskatchewan 60 years to recover from Communism and Tommy Douglas but we still can't tap the best oil on the continent because it is zoned as potash. Great money there but halites aren't as valuable as oil. 100 years maybe 200 but it'll be tapped.

But what the fuck do I know about the impact of today's attack on SK oil and gas.

Don't get me started on the Williston and Athabasca Basin resources both under attack and yet to be developed.

.Alberta....pffffb. Chump change.