Isreal fights back

Serryah

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The religious roots of this conflict should give us all pause.

Christian intolerance of Jewry in Europe helped spawn Zionism; then, the holocaust during WW2 forced many Jews to reconsider their place in majority-Christian nations.

The modern Exodus, the violent establisment of Israel, and the displacement of both Muslim and Christian Palestinians, who ethnically are the same as the Jews of two millenia ago, didn't endear the new Israelis to the locals.

Now religious hatred on both sides, the further displacement of Palestinians through settlements, and the wall fan the violence.

The uneven treatment by the West particularly the US is seen as hypocritical, and is destabilising throughout the Middle East.

What to do? Not much now, but try to be a lot more even handed in dealing with both sides.

Church/synagogue/mosque anyone?

Sadly all true.

PS, "Church/synagogue/mosque anyone?" I find such places stuffy, would prefer the open air to commune with the "Whatever it is".

PSS, Walter was busy I see.
 

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A western democracy in the ME occupying stolen land and running a genocidal purge of the rightful inhabitants? It hates every other religion and encourages any and all perversions it's citizens are programed hommicidel maniacs who hold nuclear weapons over the heads of the planets human population and as for capital punishment it murders without trial every day, there's your medieval death cult. It seems pretty straight forward to you because you are a backward individual.

There is no democracy in the west, that has been consumed by bankers and their lobbyists in total decades ago. Democracy lies in despotic ruin thanks to the criminal state of Israel.

Not stolen land anymore. The Israelis retook it quite some time ago remember.
 

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It is not hard, really.

The fight is between two sides: one a western democracy, tolerant of all religions, and sexual preferences, where all citizens vote, live under rule of law, and can even bear arms on the same basis.............a place that does not even have capital punishment.

The other side are the followers of a medieval death cult. Absolutely intolerant of other religions, bound to offer them submission or death, or (if People of the Book) to live under the rule of Islam, paying the non-believers' tax...........

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Palestinians are the most westernized of the Muzzie/Greek Christians. The squabbles have nothing to do with Religions. It's all about the occupation and butchering by the Zionist pigs. Give you head a f-cking shiek already.



 

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Not stolen land anymore. The Israelis retook it quite some time ago remember.

So the supposed limitations apply to Palestine only and leaves Israel to act through a 18oo year old claim of genetic occupation with out a single piece of evidence excepting their word and honor while the Palestinian desendents of those same alleged original Israelis can bring no case and can mount no rightful entitlment. This is the apex of hypocrisy. A gold star for crap to you sir.


There is a case for that Blackleaf same as there is for the return of England to the Celts and the Picts and the monkies who bore them.
 

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So the supposed limitations apply to Palestine only and leaves Israel to act through a 18oo year old claim of genetic occupation with out a single piece of evidence excepting their word and honor while the Palestinian desendents of those same alleged original Israelis can bring no case and can mount no rightful entitlment. This is the apex of hypocrisy. A gold star for crap to you sir.



There is a case for that Blackleaf same as there is for the return of England to the Celts and the Picts and the monkies who bore them.

Excellent DB, but it's "monkeys";-)
 

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Probably more of a brother-in-arms (without the arms). Both anti-Muslim bigots and both had more important priorities than serving, right, Jody?

That's okay, pony boy, you just keep leaning over for whomever wishes to use you........

Western civilization has been at war with Islam for almost 1300 years.

Ever hear of Charles Martel??

Well, things haven't gotten any friendlier.
 

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That's okay, pony boy, you just keep leaning over for whomever wishes to use you........

Western civilization has been at war with Islam for almost 1300 years.

Ever hear of Charles Martel??

Well, things haven't gotten any friendlier.

You talk one hell of a battle, Jody.
 

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That's okay, pony boy, you just keep leaning over for whomever wishes to use you........

Western civilization has been at war with Islam for almost 1300 years.

Ever hear of Charles Martel??

Well, things haven't gotten any friendlier.

An opinion I value more highly.
"Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding."
- Albert Einstein

You, Colpy, need an understanding injection.
 

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The family feud has been going on for over three thousand years and it will not end
Yes they should just fight it out and get it over with. Tod adopt that policy would of
course mean there would be no stable force in the region for the next few hundred
years
This is not a civil war its crossing international boundaries with serious consequences
should such a battle take place
 

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There is a case for that Blackleaf same as there is for the return of England to the Celts and the Picts and the monkies who bore them.


So Obama - the worst US President since Carter - wants Israel to go back to pre-1967 borders but you don't want America to go back to pre-1776 borders?

Therein lie the double-standards and hypocrisy of the historically ignorant Israel-haters.

The Israelis should make an ultimatum to the Obama regime - "That'll we'll go back to pre-1967 borders only if the Americans follow suit and go back to pre-1776 borders."

Fair's fair, after all.

Obama can't talk about anyone "occupying" others' land (people like him really need to take a good look at the political history of that land) when America occupies land which, not long ago, belonged to the Native Indians, British, French, Spanish, Mexicans and Russians.

That's okay, pony boy, you just keep leaning over for whomever wishes to use you........
Western civilization has been at war with Islam for almost 1300 years.




Ever hear of Charles Martel??
Well, things haven't gotten any friendlier.


I've heard of Charles Martel. He was the grandfather of Charlemagne, and he was a hero who halted the Islamic Conquest of Western Europe.



In 711 the Muslims conquered Hispania (modern Spain and Portugal), turning it into the Islamic Caliphate of Umayyad. The region of Andalusia gets its named from the Arabic al-Andalus, which is what the Muslims called the Iberian peninsula.

After conquering Hispania the Muslims then turned their attentions to Septimania (modern South of France), the last remnant of the Visigothic Kingdom.

The Umayyad conquest was stopped at the Battle of Toulouse in 721, but they sporadically raided Southern Gaul as far as Avignon, Lyon, and Autun.

In 732 the Battle of Tours-Poitiers pitted Frankish and Burgundian forces under Austrasian Mayor of the Palace, Charles Martel, against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by 'Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus.

The Franks were victorious. 'Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south. Ninth-century chroniclers, who interpreted the outcome of the battle as divine judgment in his favour, gave Charles the nickname Martellus ("The Hammer"), possibly recalling Judas Maccabeus ("The Hammerer") of the Maccabean revolt.

So to maybe imply that Charles Martel was some sort of aggressor against the Muslims, when, in fact, he was defending his lands against Islamic imperialist aggression, is absurd.

Charles Martel is viewed today as a hero. Not only is he seen today as having laid the groundwork of the Carolingian Kingdom - which his grandson Charlemagne would end up ruling - but 18th century English historian and MP Edward Gibbon wrote that Martel was "the hero of the age," whereas the American critic, novelist, and professor Albert J. Guerard described him as being the "champion of the Cross against the Crescent."

Every native European today - including me - is descended from Charles Martel. He's my great-great-great-great-however-many-other-greats-grandfather.
 
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