Israeli settlements completely surround Jerusalem
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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me ,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
I understand the meaning of that poem clearly. Do you think Niemoller would be silent regarding Palestinian oppression and injustice?
They came when I was asleep. Police came with loaded weapons aiming them at us, and told us to get out. We knew it was coming but had no warning of today. We knew settlers wanted to take over the place."
Asked how he felt, he said: "I can't even speak."
A neighbour, Raid Kareem, 36, said the newcomers were the first Jewish settlers in the area. "It's not good, it's a problem," he said. "Now they will bring in security. My children won't be able to play on the street. My son is already scared of the police."
Anti-settlement activists at the scene claimed that Elad, an organisation that finances Jewish settlement in Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, was behind the purchase of the house.
The Kareem family claim the house was inherited by five siblings following the death of the owner, one of whom sold his stake to Wohl Investments, a company said to be a front for Elad. Other signatures to the sale were forged, they say. An Israeli court ruled the sale was legal.
Jewish settlers move into house after Israeli police evict Palestinian family | World news | guardian.co.uk
“They came at 8 a.m. to evict us and when my husband tried to resist, they beat him and they arrested him,” she said, explaining her husband’s family had lived in the property for nearly six decades. “They say the settlers bought this house 73 years ago.”
Hagit Ofran, who works with Israeli settlement watchdog Peace Now, said there were long-running contradictory ownership claims over the land on which the property was built.
“There were Jews living here before 1948 and some of them purchased parcels of land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem,” she told AFP, adding the plots fell into Jordanian ownership after the war that accompanied Israel’s establishment.
“But the Palestinians also say they bought it from the owner at around the same time,” she said. “It could be true that the land was purchased by a Jewish buyer, but I believe it is against Israel’s interests to establish a new settlement in Beit Hanina.
Israeli police evict Palestinian family from Jerusalem home | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
"They came into the house at 1:30 am, accompanied by the military and the police.
"They broke all three doors to get in. We were asleep. We asked the police to let us take some personal items, but they said no and told us to leave. They said we could file a complaint."
Rajab added that the property was in the name of Ibrahim Abu Rajab and that 120 family members have a stake in the property.
At the time when they were evicted by the settlers, 25 family members were living in the house, he said.
Rajab stressed that the family never sold the house and that he has never met the man the settlers claim sold them the house; adding that the papers the settlers have are forged.
Palestinians deny sale of Machpelah house - Israel News, Ynetnews
2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes
They came in the morning and broke all the doors. They didn't let me take my things. They fought with all my brothers and cousins, and told us to go outside. They took all the international (activists) and fought with them. Only one of them, who has a physical problem, was not taken to jail, though they fought with him as well. They told me not to stay there, to get out, but (now) that I'm here, they aren't letting me go back there.
2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes | B'Tselem
"They came at 6 in the morning, surrounded us and demolished our homes in front of our eyes," he told Human Rights Watch. Dababat, who said that he was born and lived in the area all his life, was trying to retrieve some of his food, belongings, children's clothes, and schoolbooks from under the rubble of his home when Human Rights Watch spoke with him.
Adnan Dababat, a 63-year old resident of Al Farisiye, told Human Rights Watch, "I have been living here for more than 40 years, and now they've destroyed my home and buildings, our wood oven and drinking water tank. They even bulldozed my stores of sugar and wheat." He lost 11 structures, including his house, animal pens, a sanitation structure, and a water tank, OCHA reported. He was in the West Bank town of Tubas, 14 kilometers away, when Israeli authorities delivered the eviction order for his home by posting it on one of his buildings.
Residents of Al Farisiye said that on July 31, after the first round of demolitions, Israeli authorities delivered two new eviction orders on the same basis. According to OCHA, the orders gave the occupants of residential buildings housing 17 persons, including 7 children, 24 hours to evacuate their homes.
Israel: New Peak in Arbitrary Razing of Palestinian Homes | Human Rights Watch
I think Niemoller would not be silent... unlike the Harper government, Colpy and Goober.
This thread is about the ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem. As of last week, Jewish only colonies now completely encircle the city. The Zionists authorities are progressing towards removing the last of the remaining dirty Arabs. It won't be long now until the entire city has been cleaned of dirty Arabs.
Who else will break their silence and condemn this ethnic cleansing crime?
The Canadian government isn't just silent... they actions and statements prove they support Palestinian injustice.
Goober is concerned about the wording, but not about Palestinian injustice and oppression.
Colpy believes Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem only applies to Jews.
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me ,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
I understand the meaning of that poem clearly. Do you think Niemoller would be silent regarding Palestinian oppression and injustice?
They came when I was asleep. Police came with loaded weapons aiming them at us, and told us to get out. We knew it was coming but had no warning of today. We knew settlers wanted to take over the place."
Asked how he felt, he said: "I can't even speak."
A neighbour, Raid Kareem, 36, said the newcomers were the first Jewish settlers in the area. "It's not good, it's a problem," he said. "Now they will bring in security. My children won't be able to play on the street. My son is already scared of the police."
Anti-settlement activists at the scene claimed that Elad, an organisation that finances Jewish settlement in Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, was behind the purchase of the house.
The Kareem family claim the house was inherited by five siblings following the death of the owner, one of whom sold his stake to Wohl Investments, a company said to be a front for Elad. Other signatures to the sale were forged, they say. An Israeli court ruled the sale was legal.
Jewish settlers move into house after Israeli police evict Palestinian family | World news | guardian.co.uk
“They came at 8 a.m. to evict us and when my husband tried to resist, they beat him and they arrested him,” she said, explaining her husband’s family had lived in the property for nearly six decades. “They say the settlers bought this house 73 years ago.”
Hagit Ofran, who works with Israeli settlement watchdog Peace Now, said there were long-running contradictory ownership claims over the land on which the property was built.
“There were Jews living here before 1948 and some of them purchased parcels of land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem,” she told AFP, adding the plots fell into Jordanian ownership after the war that accompanied Israel’s establishment.
“But the Palestinians also say they bought it from the owner at around the same time,” she said. “It could be true that the land was purchased by a Jewish buyer, but I believe it is against Israel’s interests to establish a new settlement in Beit Hanina.
Israeli police evict Palestinian family from Jerusalem home | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
"They came into the house at 1:30 am, accompanied by the military and the police.
"They broke all three doors to get in. We were asleep. We asked the police to let us take some personal items, but they said no and told us to leave. They said we could file a complaint."
Rajab added that the property was in the name of Ibrahim Abu Rajab and that 120 family members have a stake in the property.
At the time when they were evicted by the settlers, 25 family members were living in the house, he said.
Rajab stressed that the family never sold the house and that he has never met the man the settlers claim sold them the house; adding that the papers the settlers have are forged.
Palestinians deny sale of Machpelah house - Israel News, Ynetnews
2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes
They came in the morning and broke all the doors. They didn't let me take my things. They fought with all my brothers and cousins, and told us to go outside. They took all the international (activists) and fought with them. Only one of them, who has a physical problem, was not taken to jail, though they fought with him as well. They told me not to stay there, to get out, but (now) that I'm here, they aren't letting me go back there.
2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes | B'Tselem
"They came at 6 in the morning, surrounded us and demolished our homes in front of our eyes," he told Human Rights Watch. Dababat, who said that he was born and lived in the area all his life, was trying to retrieve some of his food, belongings, children's clothes, and schoolbooks from under the rubble of his home when Human Rights Watch spoke with him.
Adnan Dababat, a 63-year old resident of Al Farisiye, told Human Rights Watch, "I have been living here for more than 40 years, and now they've destroyed my home and buildings, our wood oven and drinking water tank. They even bulldozed my stores of sugar and wheat." He lost 11 structures, including his house, animal pens, a sanitation structure, and a water tank, OCHA reported. He was in the West Bank town of Tubas, 14 kilometers away, when Israeli authorities delivered the eviction order for his home by posting it on one of his buildings.
Residents of Al Farisiye said that on July 31, after the first round of demolitions, Israeli authorities delivered two new eviction orders on the same basis. According to OCHA, the orders gave the occupants of residential buildings housing 17 persons, including 7 children, 24 hours to evacuate their homes.
Israel: New Peak in Arbitrary Razing of Palestinian Homes | Human Rights Watch
I think Niemoller would not be silent... unlike the Harper government, Colpy and Goober.
This thread is about the ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem. As of last week, Jewish only colonies now completely encircle the city. The Zionists authorities are progressing towards removing the last of the remaining dirty Arabs. It won't be long now until the entire city has been cleaned of dirty Arabs.
Who else will break their silence and condemn this ethnic cleansing crime?
The Canadian government isn't just silent... they actions and statements prove they support Palestinian injustice.
Goober is concerned about the wording, but not about Palestinian injustice and oppression.
Colpy believes Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem only applies to Jews.
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There's no maybe about it.
I agree, which is why there was silence to my questions.
Unless they're followers of your cause. Then they can insult at will.
As you have just pointed out clearly.
Funny, not a peep from EAO about that repugnant post.
I don't pity you, I laugh at you.
I only repeat myself when I'm forced to, because I'm dealing with someone of a low intellect.
I do.
And I also understand you are living off the benefits of when it happened to the First Nations.
Now you chastise the Israelis for doing the same thing.
I find your hypocrisy funny.
No, I am concerned that you have changed the intial thrust of a piece written by a man that suffered greatly at the hands of Nazis for defending Jews, and are using it to to defend a people led by Jew-haters.
In doing so, you eliminated Jews from the text altogether. The fact they were the major factor in the piece was made clear by the author himself, as quoted below in the post you chose to ignore. Let me refresh your memory:
"If an offensive is made against ministers and they are simply ousted as ministers, because they are of Jewish lineage (Judenstämmlinge) or something like that, then we can only say as a Church: No. And that was then the 4th point in the obligation, and that was probably the first anti-antisemitic pronouncement coming from the Protestant Church."
Niemoller speaking in an interview about his famous quote.
That is dispicable.
Niemöller, origin of famous quotation "First they came for the Communists..."
WHY did you eliminate Jews from the quote EAO??????
Of all the many versions quoted, and in consideration of Niemoller's own comments on it, the elimination of Jews from the quote is absolutely beyond the Pale.
And you know it.
Don't you realize that you supplied the answer yourself?
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Silence = tacit approval.
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Wow the quality of the thread suffers tremendously when CDNBear is spewing his textual diarrhea all over it. He doesn't even attempt to contribute to a conversation, my guess is because his knowledge isn't sufficient enough in the topic, but if that's the case simmer down please.
Just because I prove you wrong and ask questions that make you uncomfortable, doesn't make my posts textual diarrhea.
I'm sure you feel it does, but you would be wrong, as usual.
It's been sufficient enough to prove you wrong time and time again.
I'm sure you too can justify why you live on Native land, enjoy the benefits of that and rail against the Israelis for doing the same thing.
Israel is living off the benefits of the eradication of Palestinians. They live off the benefits of stealing land from the West Bank as their own, completely illegally mind you.
I'm not really sure how you could prove these things wrong because they aren't actually disputable.
So in other words, you do like living off the benefits of oppression, theft and murder.
I'm not surprised.
Did I say that was the topic I proved you wrong on?
I eliminated nothing. I went to wikipedia and copied the official version of Niemöller's famous poem. I didn't even notice the version I referenced didn't make a reference to Jews until Colpy pointed it out.
The official version is the one posted on the Martin-Niemöller-Foundation website:
„Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.“
Martin-Niemöller-Stiftung - /daszitat
I don't speak German, but I am pretty sure i don't see a reference to Jews (Juden) in the official version.
Apparently several versions of the poem exist which have added references to Jews and Jehovah Witnesses. According to Colpy's referenced link by a German history professor:
Hello, I am a professor of German history a the University of California, Santa Barbara, where I've been teaching since 1992.
My research specialization is how various groups have looked back on the Nazi period over the years since 1945. I've written a book Legacies of Dachau, 1933-2001 about how various groups shaped the Dachau camp since its liberation in 1945.
In November 1945 German Pastor Martin Niemöller visited the former Dachau concentration camp, where he had been imprisoned from 1941 to April 1945. His diary entry about that visit and some subsequent speeches he gave imply that that visit triggered the thought that became this famous quotation. Since discovering the diary entry in the late 1980s I've tried to find out when Niemöller first said that quotation in its poetic form, but I have not been able to document it with a published source. Thus I can't say what the original version was.
Niemöller, origin of famous quotation "First they came for the Communists..."
However, the poem is clearly about silence in the face of oppression and injustice, which would include antisemitism (Jews) and every other group which was interned in the Nazi death camps. Narrowing the poem's meaning down to just being about antisemitism is clearly a distortion of the poem's original meaning especially since the official version doesn't reference Jews.
But the point of Colpy's attack against me is to divert attention away from Palestinian oppression and injustice and change the topic to being about me. Sorry Colpy, and anyone else who wants to change the topic to being about me, that ain't going to work.
This thread is about Jerusalem now being 100% surrounded by Jewish only colonies. Effectively a two state solution which includes a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem is dead as of last week.
I mentioned the poem, because Zionist authorities keep coming for the remaining dirty Arabs who live in Jerusalem and evict them from their homes while our government, Colpy, goober and others are silent.
I have no problem stating that everyone (Jews, Muslims, Arab, Israelis...) are entitled to universal human rights. Unlike the Harper government, Colpy, Goober and many people here, I am speaking out against religious based oppression and injustice directed at the people Zionists believe God didn't chose..
Does anyone care to speak out against Palestinian oppression and injustice? Or are you going to be silent too?
The official version is the one posted on the Martin-Niemöller-Foundation website:
„Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.“
Martin-Niemöller-Stiftung - /daszitat
I don't speak German, but I am pretty sure i don't see a reference to Jews (Juden) in the official version.
Apparently several versions of the poem exist which have added references to Jews and Jehovah Witnesses. According to Colpy's referenced link by a German history professor:
Hello, I am a professor of German history a the University of California, Santa Barbara, where I've been teaching since 1992.
My research specialization is how various groups have looked back on the Nazi period over the years since 1945. I've written a book Legacies of Dachau, 1933-2001 about how various groups shaped the Dachau camp since its liberation in 1945.
In November 1945 German Pastor Martin Niemöller visited the former Dachau concentration camp, where he had been imprisoned from 1941 to April 1945. His diary entry about that visit and some subsequent speeches he gave imply that that visit triggered the thought that became this famous quotation. Since discovering the diary entry in the late 1980s I've tried to find out when Niemöller first said that quotation in its poetic form, but I have not been able to document it with a published source. Thus I can't say what the original version was.
Niemöller, origin of famous quotation "First they came for the Communists..."
However, the poem is clearly about silence in the face of oppression and injustice, which would include antisemitism (Jews) and every other group which was interned in the Nazi death camps. Narrowing the poem's meaning down to just being about antisemitism is clearly a distortion of the poem's original meaning especially since the official version doesn't reference Jews.
But the point of Colpy's attack against me is to divert attention away from Palestinian oppression and injustice and change the topic to being about me. Sorry Colpy, and anyone else who wants to change the topic to being about me, that ain't going to work.
This thread is about Jerusalem now being 100% surrounded by Jewish only colonies. Effectively a two state solution which includes a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem is dead as of last week.
I mentioned the poem, because Zionist authorities keep coming for the remaining dirty Arabs who live in Jerusalem and evict them from their homes while our government, Colpy, goober and others are silent.
I have no problem stating that everyone (Jews, Muslims, Arab, Israelis...) are entitled to universal human rights. Unlike the Harper government, Colpy, Goober and many people here, I am speaking out against religious based oppression and injustice directed at the people Zionists believe God didn't chose..
Does anyone care to speak out against Palestinian oppression and injustice? Or are you going to be silent too?
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You mean as silent as you about how you're benefiting from oppression, murder, genocide, and injustice?
Just so we can nail down what you mean by silent.