No it isn't, not with 600,000 already living on 'occupied land'.
'Palestine can now sue Israel for illegal occupation' - YouTube
Israeli settlements completely surround Jerusalem
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Petros you forgot the Christians took the Holy Land once before and their battle cry was
Kill the all Let God decide. We all know how peaceful that turned out don't we.
Kill the all Let God decide. We all know how peaceful that turned out don't we.
That motto has never been abandoned, it just isn't mentioned. Look around, who is doing all the bombing and killing and other ****ty things in the world, same bunch.
Asses kicked by Muzzies but in the end, it did bring alGebra and alChemy to Europe ending the Dark Ages.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Palestinians are getting screwed over by the Israelis and our government isn't speaking out.
Silence = tacit approval.
Would you object then after the project is complete?
Canada's silence regarding this ongoing war crime is shameful. The rest of the world including the US has at least condemned this action. But no one is proposing any punitive actions. So Israel's ethnic cleansing will continue unabated.
BTW, in addition to the 3000 homes announced last week which cut off the West Bank from Jerusalem, Israel just announced the construction of a further 3600 Jewish only homes on conquered Palestinian land in and around Jerusalem, filling in some of the remaining gaps:
Tuesday 4th December, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, approved Monday evening a new plan to construct 3600 new housing units in East Jerusalem, raising the number of Israeli settlement units after the Palestinian UN recognized the state of Palestine to 6600.
The Israeli government approved to construct 3600 new housing units distributed on three areas: 1600 new housing units in Jewish neighbourhood Ramat Shlomo, 1000 units in Givat Ze'ev, and another 1000 housing units in Beit Safafa.
Israel Approves New Plan to Construct 3600 More Housing Units in East Jerusalem
At this rate, all of Jerusalem and the suburbs will be zoned Jewish only within a few weeks.
Arabs whose homes become zoned Jewish only find themselves in a Kafkaesque situation. Technically they are living illegally in their homes and risk eviction. They can only sell their homes to a Jew. They cannot pass on their family home to their children. Meanwhile the authorities watch their every move looking for an excuse to evict them and demolish their home. Visiting family or taking a vacation risks not being allowed back to their homes, where upon the state can declare their home abandoned. Once that happens the authorities will seize their home (no compensation) and demolish it. When the dust settles, the land is sold to a Jewish developer, who builds a new home which can only be bought by a Jew. Israel has done this to hundreds of thousands of dirty Arabs since they became a state in 1948.
In 2002, both the Al-Ghawe and Hanun families were evicted from their homes by Israeli police, after Israeli settlers used falsified documents to claim ownership of these houses.
Family members lived in tents for four months before returning to their homes. The families were able to present their documents
proving their legal ownership before the courts on the 19th of February, but the eviction orders still remain in effect.
The Israelis don’t want me on this land. The ownership documents from the settlers are false, but there is no fairness in the Israeli courts for Palestinians. I was born here in my house, where I have lived for all of the 46 years of my life. Where do they want me to go? I haven’t any other place to live -Nasser Ghawe, Sheikh Jarrah resident
This is an ethnic cleaning that will eventually spread to all of Jerusalem. We are asking all people everywhere to unify against what is going on here and stand firm in the face of evictions. These families legally own their homes, and they should be allowed to stay -Rima Essa, Coalition for Jerusalem
Two Palestinian families due to be evicted by Israeli authorities in Sheikh Jarrah, Occupied East Jerusalem
Israel is a state which has practiced ethnic cleansing since its creation.
The Harper government's position is that they can ignore Israel's ethnic cleansing because ethnic cleansing is a dirty word. Canada's silence is tacit approval.
Because the Harper government unshakably supports Israel's cruel oppression of Palestinians and all the injustices Palestinians suffer.
You either believe in universal human rights or you don't. You can't believe in universal human rights for some and not others, because then it wouldn't be universal.
Since the Harper government doesn't believe that Palestinians should have freedom or justice and supports Israel's policy of awarding rights on level of Jewishness, what kind of a government are they?
Where do you think they stand regarding the rights of all Canadians?
Regarding this repugnant post:
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Palestinians are getting screwed over by the Israelis and our government isn't speaking out.
Silence = tacit approval.
As MHz mentioned 600,000 Israelis already live illegally on Palestinian land. So the project is well under way. As referenced in the OP, this latest colony for Israeli Jews on Palestinian land separates Jerusalem from the West Bank. Now that's been done, its only a matter of time until all remaining neighborhoods in and around Jerusalem are zoned for Jews only. Its only a matter of time until out every remaining dirty Arab has been evicted from Jerusalem and the surrounded suburbs.
Would you object then after the project is complete?
Canada's silence regarding this ongoing war crime is shameful. The rest of the world including the US has at least condemned this action. But no one is proposing any punitive actions. So Israel's ethnic cleansing will continue unabated.
BTW, in addition to the 3000 homes announced last week which cut off the West Bank from Jerusalem, Israel just announced the construction of a further 3600 Jewish only homes on conquered Palestinian land in and around Jerusalem, filling in some of the remaining gaps:
Tuesday 4th December, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, approved Monday evening a new plan to construct 3600 new housing units in East Jerusalem, raising the number of Israeli settlement units after the Palestinian UN recognized the state of Palestine to 6600.
The Israeli government approved to construct 3600 new housing units distributed on three areas: 1600 new housing units in Jewish neighbourhood Ramat Shlomo, 1000 units in Givat Ze'ev, and another 1000 housing units in Beit Safafa.
Israel Approves New Plan to Construct 3600 More Housing Units in East Jerusalem
At this rate, all of Jerusalem and the suburbs will be zoned Jewish only within a few weeks.
Arabs whose homes become zoned Jewish only find themselves in a Kafkaesque situation. Technically they are living illegally in their homes and risk eviction. They can only sell their homes to a Jew. They cannot pass on their family home to their children. Meanwhile the authorities watch their every move looking for an excuse to evict them and demolish their home. Visiting family or taking a vacation risks not being allowed back to their homes, where upon the state can declare their home abandoned. Once that happens the authorities will seize their home (no compensation) and demolish it. When the dust settles, the land is sold to a Jewish developer, who builds a new home which can only be bought by a Jew. Israel has done this to hundreds of thousands of dirty Arabs since they became a state in 1948.
In 2002, both the Al-Ghawe and Hanun families were evicted from their homes by Israeli police, after Israeli settlers used falsified documents to claim ownership of these houses.
Family members lived in tents for four months before returning to their homes. The families were able to present their documents
proving their legal ownership before the courts on the 19th of February, but the eviction orders still remain in effect.
The Israelis don’t want me on this land. The ownership documents from the settlers are false, but there is no fairness in the Israeli courts for Palestinians. I was born here in my house, where I have lived for all of the 46 years of my life. Where do they want me to go? I haven’t any other place to live -Nasser Ghawe, Sheikh Jarrah resident
This is an ethnic cleaning that will eventually spread to all of Jerusalem. We are asking all people everywhere to unify against what is going on here and stand firm in the face of evictions. These families legally own their homes, and they should be allowed to stay -Rima Essa, Coalition for Jerusalem
Two Palestinian families due to be evicted by Israeli authorities in Sheikh Jarrah, Occupied East Jerusalem
Israel is a state which has practiced ethnic cleansing since its creation.
The Harper government's position is that they can ignore Israel's ethnic cleansing because ethnic cleansing is a dirty word. Canada's silence is tacit approval.
Because the Harper government unshakably supports Israel's cruel oppression of Palestinians and all the injustices Palestinians suffer.
You either believe in universal human rights or you don't. You can't believe in universal human rights for some and not others, because then it wouldn't be universal.
Since the Harper government doesn't believe that Palestinians should have freedom or justice and supports Israel's policy of awarding rights on level of Jewishness, what kind of a government are they?
Where do you think they stand regarding the rights of all Canadians?
Regarding this repugnant post:
This forum is inclusive to everyone who can follow forum rules.
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The reason for this..........
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/members-lounge/112883-do-you-read-every-word.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/members-lounge/112883-do-you-read-every-word.html
Look at it this way, the poster says he is Native so he was at one time a member on a Rez at the time Indian (only) schools were being used to brainwash the kids into buying the British version of the world, it worked and he left his real culture behind and adopted the 'new' truth only to find out later it was all bull**** but if he admitted it in public his new found home would reject him and he can't go back to his original people because they would view him as a traitor. He has also said he has Jewish friends in Montreal so if he spoke out agains Israeli policy they would also ditch him. You should actually pity him.
You should really do a little research before you quote.
The actual quote is from Pastor Martin Niemoller:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."
Niemoller, despite being a decorated U-Boat captain in WWI, spent 8 years in concentration camps as a prisoner of Adolph Hitler because he resisted the Aryan Clause Hitler tried to force on Christian churches in Germany....which prevented Jews from becoming clegy.
Niemoller was speaking for the Jews, against the Jew murderers.
Funny how you left the Jews out.
To twist Niemoller's words against the Jewish state, to use them in defense of the followers of Hamas, an organization that considers ALL Jew-murder as "Praise to Allah".........
Well, it just ain't right.
And the Jews will never again appease Jew-haters.
Not so funny how you moved the Jews to the first in the list (and forget the others) in all your posts about that era.
"on Christian churches in Germany....which prevented Jews from becoming clegy."
Out of curiosity, what kind of sermon would a NT denying Jew have for a Christian congregation. (in the a NT believing Jews refer to themselves as Christians)
"on Christian churches in Germany....which prevented Jews from becoming clegy."
Out of curiosity, what kind of sermon would a NT denying Jew have for a Christian congregation. (in the a NT believing Jews refer to themselves as Christians)
I'm glad you raised that issue Colpy
According to the Martin-Niemöller-Foundation the text is as follows[2]:
„Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.“
Which translates to:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
In the United States, the quotation is more commonly known as:
First they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yet another version is
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
First they came... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...
So I agree the poem has been twisted. Who added the lines about Jews?
That said, I would speak up for anyone facing oppression and injustice, including Jews. Many of my critics are more selective. Apparently Palestinians don't make your list.
According to the Martin-Niemöller-Foundation the text is as follows[2]:
„Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.“
Which translates to:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
In the United States, the quotation is more commonly known as:
First they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yet another version is
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
First they came... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...
So I agree the poem has been twisted. Who added the lines about Jews?
That said, I would speak up for anyone facing oppression and injustice, including Jews. Many of my critics are more selective. Apparently Palestinians don't make your list.
"There were no minutes or copy of what I said, and it may be that I formulated it differently. But the idea was anyhow: The communists, we still let that happen calmly; and the trade unions, we also let that happen; and we even let the Social Democrats happen. All of that was not our affair. The Church did not concern itself with politics at all at that time, and it shouldn't have anything to do with them either. In the Confessing Church we didn't want to represent any political resistance per se, but we wanted to determine for the Church that that was not right, and that it should not become right in the Church, that's why already in '33, when we created the minister emergency federation (Pfarrernotbund), we put as the 4th point in the founding charter: If an offensive is made against ministers and they are simply ousted as ministers, because they are of Jewish lineage (Judenstämmlinge) or something like that, then we can only say as a Church: No. And that was then the 4th point in the obligation, and that was probably the first anti-antisemitic pronouncement coming from the Protestant Church."
You should read to the bottom of the Wikipedia entry......
This from Niemoller himself.
So why did he survive 7 years if they killed all the ones you claim?
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
The quotation stems from Niemöller's lectures during the early postwar period. Different versions of the quotation exist. These can be attributed to the fact that Niemöller spoke extemporaneously and in a number of settings. Much controversy surrounds the content of the poem as it has been printed in varying forms, referring to diverse groups such as Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, Trade Unionists, or Communists depending upon the version. Nonetheless his point was that Germans--in particular, he believed, the leaders of the Protestant churches--had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people.
Out of all the items (in just this thread) that you could have picked from this was the one and only one you could muster up some words for. Sounds like some kind of analysis.
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
The quotation stems from Niemöller's lectures during the early postwar period. Different versions of the quotation exist. These can be attributed to the fact that Niemöller spoke extemporaneously and in a number of settings. Much controversy surrounds the content of the poem as it has been printed in varying forms, referring to diverse groups such as Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, Trade Unionists, or Communists depending upon the version. Nonetheless his point was that Germans--in particular, he believed, the leaders of the Protestant churches--had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people.
Pity is still pity. lol Ever follow his actual post, one word over and over and over, that is the whole of his ability when confronted with any post with some facts.
Out of all the items (in just this thread) that you could have picked from this was the one and only one you could muster up some words for. Sounds like some kind of analysis.
Nooooo. Any open support would instanly justify Keebeck seperatists and 100% autonomous First Nation States in Canada. We can offer up support in different ways.
Would it float your boat if the RCMP went there to over see the development of a Palestinian police and intelligence service that was on the up and up?
The RCMP is a Militia, few realize that or Lest We Forgot...
Peacekeepers' Diaries - Royal Canadian Mounted Police
It seems to me that you have a twisted understanding of this poem.
Niemoller's words are a statement against all oppression and injustice, not just antisemitism. I interpret the poem to mean that we should speak out against all oppression and injustice, not just when Jews suffer oppression and injustice.
Instead Colpy appears to believe Niemoller's words are statement in support of Palestinian oppression and injustice, because their oppressors are Jewish.
I'm pretty certain that if Niemoller was around today he'd be just as much against Palestinian oppression and injustice as he was against Jewish oppression and injustice.
I also think he'd be critical of the Harper government's silence and everyone else here who remains silent while Zionists cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.
Was that supposed to be an apology for your awful accusations about me in your previous post, which I proved were unfounded.
For the record, I quoted the official version of the poem. I did not twist anything or rewrite the poem as Colpy claims.
Niemoller's words apply just as much to silence regarding Palestinian oppression and injustice as it did to Jewish oppression and injustice in the 1930's... If you can't understand how Niemoller's words apply to Palestinian injustice and oppression today, then I doubt you truly believe in universal human rights or the true meaning of "Never Again!"
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Recently I watched "Fiddler on the Roof". Its a powerful story with a powerful message about antisemitism under Czarist Russia. Fundamentally its about religious based oppression and injustice. I thought how much has changed. The oppressed are now the oppressors. A modern version of this play could easily be told substituting Czarist Russia for Zionist Israel, a traditional Jewish family for a traditional Palestinian one and a few Hebrew words for Arabic ones.
Never Again! is a joke. Of course its happening again.
The fact is, as of last week, the entire city of Jerusalem is now surrounded by an unbroken string of Jewish only colonies. Building the homes is a final formality. I noticed your biggest problem with that information is semantics.
So what did you learn from Niemoller's words?
Never Again! is a joke. Of course its happening again.
The fact is, as of last week, the entire city of Jerusalem is now surrounded by an unbroken string of Jewish only colonies. Building the homes is a final formality. I noticed your biggest problem with that information is semantics.
So what did you learn from Niemoller's words?