Israeli settlements completely surround Jerusalem

[CDNBear]

There is no defensible position for an Israeli supporter in this conflict.

You mean like how you, EAO and Mhz live off the benefits that Canada can provide you, because of oppression, murder, genocide, and injustice?

I'm still waiting to see an answer to how you justify your hatred of Israel, for doing what you live off the avails of.

 

[MHz]

The company I work for is hired by somebody in Saudi Arabia, that doesn't mean they own me.

 

[Goober]

Goober is concerned about the wording, but not about Palestinian injustice and oppression.

Colpy believes Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem only applies to Jews.

Your OP is misleading and as usual inflammatory- It clearly states that Israeli Settlement completely surround Jerusalem.
It is not. Typical that you cannot differentiate between fact and fiction- one does not serve your purpose.

Then you tell me I do not understand the meaning of Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem

Then you go after Colpy for catching what you left out of the various versions claiming that you could did not notice it. That Poem has been posted hundreds of times on these type of threads - and Jews were always mentioned. How you could overlook that- well your explanation is bogus.
First they came... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

I mentioned the poem, because Zionist authorities keep coming for the remaining dirty Arabs who live in Jerusalem and evict them from their homes while our government, Colpy, goober and others are silent.

I have no problem stating that everyone (Jews, Muslims, Arab, Israelis...) are entitled to universal human rights. Unlike the Harper government, Colpy, Goober and many people here, I am speaking out against religious based oppression and injustice directed at the people Zionists believe God didn't chose..

Does anyone care to speak out against Palestinian oppression and injustice? Or are you going to be silent too?

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Israel: New Peak in Arbitrary Razing of Palestinian Homes | Human Rights Watch[/COLOR]

I think Niemoller would not be silent... unlike the Harper government, Colpy and Goober.

Buckey you have no idea yet where I stand. Please recall the Forum Policy laid out clearly by Andem, and reiterated by Ron and Locutus.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. You state that "I have no concern" or humanity regrading Palestinians- Prove it

 

[earth_as_one]

There is no defensible position for an Israeli supporter in this conflict.

I support some Jews and Israelis and I certainly respect everyone's human rights.

I am just against the oppression and injustice suffered by Palestinians... as are many Jews and Israelis. What I am getting at, is that not all Jews and Israelis are the problem. Only people who support ethnically cleansing Palestine of Palestinians and everyone who is silent are the problem. Many Jews and Israelis oppose Palestinian injustice and oppression.

I recommend this Israeli Human Rights Group:
B'Tselem | The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

The E1 plan and its implications for human rights in the West Bank
Published:
2 Dec 2012

This past weekend, the media reported that Israel has decided to advance the planning of thousands of apartments in the settlement of Ma’ale Adumim, as part of the E-1 plan, in the area connecting the settlement to Jerusalem. According to media accounts, this decision was reached following the UN General Assembly’s recognition of Palestine as a state with UN observer status.

The implementation of construction plans in E1 will create an urban bloc between Ma’ale Adumim and Jerusalem, exacerbate the isolation of East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank and will divide the West Bank into two separate areas, north and south.

The establishment of settlements in occupied territory runs counter to international humanitarian law, which prohibits the transfer of people from the occupying state into the occupied area. It also prohibits any permanent changes in the occupied territory, with the exception of changes mandated by military needs or in order to benefit the local population. In addition, the establishment of Israeli settlements leads to numerous violations of Palestinians' human rights. The plan to expel Bedouin communities who reside in these areas is a further breach of international humanitarian law, which prohibits the forcible transfer of "protected persons," such as these communities, unless done for their own safety or for an urgent military need. Even then, it is permissible only on a temporary basis.

The rest here:
The E1 plan and its implications for human rights in the West Bank | B'Tselem

 

[CDNBear]

The company I work for is hired by somebody in Saudi Arabia, that doesn't mean they own me.

I am just against the oppression and injustice suffered by Palestinians...

That's been made quite clear.

Especially while you live comfortably off of oppression, murder, genocide, and injustice, while condemning others for doing the same thing.

Interesting.

 

[gore0bsessed]

You mean like how you, EAO and Mhz live off the benefits that Canada can provide you, because of oppression, murder, genocide, and injustice?

I'm still waiting to see an answer to how you justify your hatred of Israel, for doing what you live off the avails of.

Straw man

 

[earth_as_one]

silence = tacit approval

Unless you speak out against oppression and injustice, you tacitly support it.

 

[gore0bsessed]

The sobering news comes just three days after Benjamin Netanyahu's widely publicized and controversial decision to start construction in the 4.6-square-mile E1 zone, a move that many believe will ruin the chances of a two-state solution to the region's conflict. Captured by Israel in the 1967 war, the strip of land connects the Jewish settlement of Maale Adumim to Jerusalem. However, the proposed 3,000 homes built on that land would also cut off Ramallah and Bethlehem from Jerusalem, "making the contiguous Palestinian state endorsed by the United Nations last week virtually impossible,"

France and Britain Reportedly Considering Pulling Ambassadors from Israel - Global - The Atlantic Wire

 

[Goober]

silence = tacit approval

.

This has been in the news all day- You stated that Harper was.............................. what was that again.

Canada joins in global criticism for new Israeli settlement plan | Canada | News | National Post

 

[CDNBear]

Straw man

No it isn't.

I'm not misrepressenting your position, that's what you, EAO, and Mhz do.

Your position is the injustice, genocide and inhumanity of the settlements around Jerusalem.

While you live in a Country built the exact same way, enjoying all the benefits that offers, while many of the indigenous displaced people are still suffering.

I'm waiting to see how you can justify why it's OK for you, but not Israel Jews.

silence = tacit approval

Unless you speak out against oppression and injustice, you tacitly support it.

That's an opinion, not a fact.

 

[gore0bsessed]

No it isn't.

I'm not misrepressenting your position, that's what you, EAO, and Mhz do.

Your position is the injustice, genocide and inhumanity of the settlements around Jerusalem.

While you live in a Country built the exact same way, enjoying all the benefits that offers, while many of the indigenous displaced people are still suffering.

I'm waiting to see how you can justify why it's OK for you, but not Israel Jews.

straw man

 

[CDNBear]

straw man

Oh look at that, Xl size and bolded.

It still doesn't make it a straw man...

A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[3][4]

This would be one of those times I've proven you wrong, yet again.

 

[gore0bsessed]

"To attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition "

hello

 

[CDNBear]

"To attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition "

hello

And that hinges on misrepresenting your position.

I haven't.

You fail, yet again.

And I'll take that you can't answer the uncomfortable question, that it's OK for you, EAO and Mhz to live off the avails of oppression, murder, genocide, and injustice.

I'm not surprised.

 

[Goober]

This has been in the news all day- You stated that Harper was.............................. what was that again.

Canada joins in global criticism for new Israeli settlement plan | Canada | News | National Post

EAO - Wo bist du unter deinem Bett

 

[earth_as_one]

The old news:

Sunday, Dec. 02 2012
The United States, the European Union, and the United Nations warned that the plan Israel announced on Friday to build 3,000 new homes in the so-called E1 corridor, which links sections of the West Bank, would be an almost-fatal blow to efforts to negotiate a lasting peace.

n Ottawa, however, the Harper government delivered a more muted response. “Canada’s position is that unilateral actions on either side do not advance the peace process,” said Mr. Harper’s spokesman, Andrew MacDougall.

The fallout from a vote on Thursday at the UN to grant observer-state status to the Palestinian Authority continued to ripple throughout the region and the world, leaving nations grappling with its impact on the future of the moribund Middle East peace process

Ottawa seeks new Mideast path as Israel

 

[Goober]

Your OP is misleading and as usual inflammatory- It clearly states that Israeli Settlement completely surround Jerusalem.
It is not. Typical that you cannot differentiate between fact and fiction- one does not serve your purpose.

Then you tell me I do not understand the meaning of Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem

Then you go after Colpy for catching what you left out of the various versions claiming that you could did not notice it. That Poem has been posted hundreds of times on these type of threads - and Jews were always mentioned. How you could overlook that- well your explanation is bogus.
First they came... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...


Buckey you have no idea yet where I stand. Please recall the Forum Policy laid out clearly by Andem, and reiterated by Ron and Locutus.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. You state that "I have no concern" or humanity regrading Palestinians- Prove it

Bump to ya again EAO

 

[DaSleeper]

Bump to ya again EAO

Goober: I support EAO's support of Minister John Baird's announcement......:smile:

 

[Goober]

Goober: I support EAO's support of Minister John Baird's announcement......:smile:

He does at times make valid points but..............
What I find irritating is he insults members while calling for civil discussion
Labels Members with BS, while calling for civil discussion.
When proven to be in error, as we all can be cannot find the character to admit said mistake.

Yet is continuous in his calls for civil discussion.

 

[MHz]

Now find a post where I've supported the Rez as a viable solution. I've stated that the best way to win them over was to turn them into citizens that get to travel the world for free. Look it up I doubt they have been deleted.