Israeli court rejects US activist's family lawsuit

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The ISM only supports non-violence resistance in response to oppression and injustice. Convincing Hamas and other organizations which have a record of violent resistance and/or war crimes to embrace purely non-violent methods to gain Palestinian freedom and justice is a worthwhile goal and I wish the ISM luck.

Regarding your previous diatribe about how you hate no group and only stand for freedom and justice (which i will not bother wasting bandwidth by quoting and repeating), would you please confirm by quoting yourself ever siding with the Israelis in any significant way? Can any one group or nation be totally wrong? Can any be totally right?
Your continual and disingenuous hammering of the Jews merely prompts others to counter the one sided presentations you project. Not an honest discussion of the situation by any stretch.
 

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Regarding your previous diatribe about how you hate no group and only stand for freedom and justice (which i will not bother wasting bandwidth by quoting and repeating), would you please confirm by quoting yourself ever siding with the Israelis in any significant way? Can any one group or nation be totally wrong? Can any be totally right?
Your continual and disingenuous hammering of the Jews merely prompts others to counter the one sided presentations you project. Not an honest discussion of the situation by any stretch.

You will not find a single post by me which "hammers" Jews. I am agnostic and do not consider religion to accurate indicator of an individual's morality. If you interpret my criticism of Israeli atrocities as a criticism of Jews, then you must not be aware that not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews. I think you have been bamboozled by pro-Israeli propaganda which links criticism of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity with antisemitism.

I only hammer war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity regardless of their race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation.... and I have done so repeatedly. I have also pointed out that I have condemned all war criminals in this conflict repeatedly.

For example:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...ish-mp-israel-acting-like-17.html#post1636136

I don't consider religion a factor in this conflict except that religion has been used by criminals on both sides to justify their atrocities.

Also, I started threads on more wars and conflicts than just this one. I was the first here to condemn Syria's crackdown on dissent long before our MSM starting broadcasting Syrian war porn on prime time.

March 21, 2011
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/99112-syrias-protests-have-escalated.html

Other conflicts I've started threads on:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/108370-iraqs-12-000-page-pre.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...98380-freedom-justice-democracy-re-egypt.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/91389-war-darfur.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/95341-un-report-drc-genocide-1998-a.html

I can reference many other examples. The reason why I post more on this conflict than the others is that most people tend to agree with me on holding war criminals accountable for their actions in most of these other conflicts. If someone tries to defend the war criminals in the DRC, Syria, or Egypt, then I'd be just as active in those other threads. But the only war criminals that seem to get a free pass to commit atrocities with the unshakable support of the Canadian government are Israeli. I would have a problem with Canada supporting any war criminals, regardless or their race or relgion.

Ghandi did not support violence- you do.
More slanderous lies.

I do not support violence... except when in self defense when it is the least harmful option.... , "If a mad dog is coming towards you, compassion is no use. You need to use your intelligence." It might also help if you can run really, really fast...
Dalai Lama

If you are attacked by a mad dog, you might have no choice but to fight back violently. Violent resistance certainly works with cougars.

In the case of the Israeli conflict, I consider violence by either side to be counter productive towards the objective of fair and just peace where everyone enjoys freedom and justice.
 
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Oh YES!!

Fighting for freedom and Justice....in the form of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Rachel Corrie: The very definition of a useful idiot.
Armed with nothing but an orange safety vest. She's a killer by every definition of the word. That vest could have floated away in the breeze and killed a seagull.
 

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More slanderous lies.

I do not support violence... except when in self defense when it is the least harmful option.... , "If a mad dog is coming towards you, compassion is no use. You need to use your intelligence." It might also help if you can run really, really fast...
Dalai Lama

If you are attacked by a mad dog, you might have no choice but to fight back violently. Violent resistance certainly works with cougars.

In the case of the Israeli conflict, I consider violence by either side to be counter productive towards the objective of fair and just peace where everyone enjoys freedom and justice.

Slanderous- again - really - Read my post - I stated "Ghandi did not support violence- you do". And indeed you do - Here is a link for ya Bucky as yet again I take you to school. I should be charging bus fare.

So you as usual cannot understand a simple and clearly worded point- you then go off the deep end and insult me. Is that not against Forum rules of which you constantly quote- Oh yes, only when they are in favor of your position.

Now you have stated I am a liar. Against Forum Rules I do expect a retraction and apology

Pacifism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pacifism is the opposition to war and violence, even to the point of allowing self-harm rather than a resort to violent resistance. The term "pacifism" was coined by the French peace campaigner Émile Arnaud (1864–1921) and adopted by other peace activists at the tenth Universal Peace Congress in Glasgow in 1901.[1] The concept is an ancient one that goes back to the teachings of Muhammad, Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha), and Jesus. In modern times, it was refined by Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) into the practice of steadfast nonviolent opposition which he called "satyagraha". Its effectiveness served as inspiration to Martin Luther King Jr. among many others. An iconic image of pacifism came out of the Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989 with the "Tank Man", where one protester stood in nonviolent opposition to a column of tanks. Historians have identified that event as being a key motivation that led to the fall of the Berlin Wall which ultimately precipitated the nonviolent fall of Communism.
 

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Pacifism is not absolute. it has shades of grey...

Funny you should mention tank man.... I still never got an answer regarding that person. Are they brave, foolish or maybe both or neither... Also how does tank man differ from Rachel Corrie?

When you start quoting me accurately and accurately portraying my viewpoint I'll stop pointing out your lies and misrepresentations about me.

Armed with nothing but an orange safety vest. She's a killer by every definition of the word. That vest could have floated away in the breeze and killed a seagull.
You are forgetting the bullhorn.... they can be really load and annoying which would make them an offensive weapon. (sarcasm alert)
 

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Pacifism is not absolute. it has shades of grey...
You are forgetting the bullhorn.... they can be really load and annoying which would make them an offensive weapon. (sarcasm alert)
You quoted Ghandi- stating you do not believe in violence- I proved that your statement was complete and utter BS- Now it is shades of grey.

But you clearly labelled me a liar- and slanderous lies- again against forum rules- So retract and apologize. I am fine with that.
 

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I don't believe in violence except in self defense when violence is the last resort. I'm not Ghandi or the Dalai Lama.. I doubt I could hold myself to the same standard as them. I accept their teachings as self evident truths
 

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more lies

how often would you like to repeat this childishness?

tell you what, why don't you post an on-topic opinion and stop with slanderous lies about me. surely you must have something better to do than lie about me.
 

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more lies

how often would you like to repeat this childishness?

tell you what, why don't you post an on-topic opinion and stop with slanderous lies about me. surely you must have something better to do than lie about me.

No lies - I stated you believe in violence- that was it - and you do - that was it.
 

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More lies... you constantly attribute to me opinions I don't have, statements I've never made and so on. Also you have a creepy obsession with my ancestry. I suggest you focus on the topic and obsess less about me.
 

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More lies... you constantly attribute to me opinions I don't have, statements I've never made and so on. Also you have a creepy obsession with my ancestry. I suggest you focus on the topic and obsess less about me.
I stated you were in favour of violence - you retorted that this was slanderous and lies and such. Yet your posts show that you are in favour of violence. How is that a lie.
 

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Believing that violence is not justified except maybe in the case of self defense as a last resort when no other less harm option exists does not mean I support violence. The qualifier is the exception, not the rule...
 

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For the record, I support universal human rights, freedom and justice everywhere including Israel and the occupied territories. I am agnostic and support freedom of religion. I oppose all forms of religious based hatred including Antisemitism and Islamaphobia. I do not hate Jews, Israelis or anyone based on their religion or nationality. IN fact, I don't hate anyone, including the people here who constantly hound me with their false claims and allegations. I admit that I find their false claims and accusations repugnant and offensive, which is why the some people here like to keep pushing that button and while I I keep defending myself. I've never made a defamatory remark against Jews, Israelis or any other religion or nationality. Anyone who reads what I write rather than what simply believes what people write about me knows I simply do not have these hateful opinions or beliefs that are constantly attributed to me.

I like to expose deliberate lies and manipulative BS which is used to provide cover and support for oppression, injustice, religious intolerance, war crimes and crimes against humanity. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has no equal regarding the number of elaborate lies and deceptions which have worked so effectively to manipulate the masses into support oppression, injustice, war crimes and crimes against humanity. If another conflict had as many effective lies and manipulations, I'd be on that conflict too. But this conflict is by far the one where what Canadians know is mostly based on one side's version, as well as deliberate and elaborate deceptions, selective truths and bold faced lies. I admit to deriving satisfaction from exposing the lies and deceptions which are designed to manipulate good people into supporting oppression, injustice, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I thought this thread wasn't about you?

ES's link is real prime grade A example of the manipulative propaganda regarding this conflict.
Followed by a propaganda laced diatribe, the irony is palpable.

Regarding the photos. I can confirm that some of the people in the photos later became ISM volunteers.
Cool, so you admit the ISM hangs with listed terrorist groups.

I'm not claiming I agree with ISM or support everything they do.
True, but you sure are defending them, while whitewashing the fact that they hang out with terrorists.

For the record, I have never defended a single terrorist act by any one or any organization.
Yes you have.

I've proven it many times.

I find such smear allegations about me repugnant.
Most hypocrites do.

Please do not name call. Its against the rules. I gave you a thumbs up for the rest of your post which shows critical thought and proves TS's post defies common sense.
LMAO!!!

What an excellent example of your hypocrisy.

The ISM only supports non-violence resistance in response to oppression and injustice. Convincing Hamas and other organizations which have a record of violent resistance and/or war crimes to embrace purely non-violent methods to gain Palestinian freedom and justice is a worthwhile goal and I wish the ISM luck.
But you don't agree with everything they do, lol.

You will not find a single post by me which "hammers" Jews.
You're right, we'll actually find thousands.

I think you have been bamboozled by pro-Israeli propaganda which links criticism of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity with antisemitism.
I actually agree, far to often, simple criticism of Israel is met with the false label of antisemitism.

But you don't simply criticize Israel.

I only hammer war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity regardless of their race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation....
As long as they're Israeli.

I have also pointed out that I have condemned all war criminals in this conflict repeatedly.
Only when pressured, and as a good example of windo dressing.

More slanderous lies.
Only if they weren't true and you were not an anonymous entity.

I do not support violence...
Meh, you do justify it though.

Real pacifists don't do that.

If you are attacked by a mad dog, you might have no choice but to fight back violently.
Holy crap, not you liken Israeli's to mad dogs?

Tell me again you are what you've been proven to be.

how often would you like to repeat this childishness?
I think your childishness knows no bounds.

tell you what, why don't you post an on-topic opinion and stop with slanderous lies about me. surely you must have something better to do than lie about me.
No body is lying about you.

Believing that violence is not justified except maybe in the case of self defense as a last resort when no other less harm option exists does not mean I support violence. The qualifier is the exception, not the rule...
Is that why you put Palestinian youth violence "in context"?
 

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Believing that violence is not justified except maybe in the case of self defense as a last resort when no other less harm option exists does not mean I support violence. The qualifier is the exception, not the rule...
Now you admit that you lied on your initial claim of being non violent- then you slandered and accused me of being a liar for clearly showing that your statement was BS. Now you are into shades of grey and qualifiers.
Why not admit that you are in favour of violence- that was all I had stated - time and again - that you were in favour of violence- yet you denied - then shades of grey- now it is with qualifiers. And every pst was filled with insults. Against forum rules as you consistently post. If it is not please clarify that for me.

But this is the norm for you as many on this forum have learned. Always with the BS, then slanderous remarks- calling people liars - and every rebuttal you make is just another example of how you cannot tell the truth or admit being wrong.
 

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That man in Tienanmen Square who stopped a column of tanks by using himself as a human shield... Was he also ****ing stupid or brave?



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Relativism is SO offensive.

The gentleman in the picture is protesting in support of the values of western civilization, not against them.

The gentleman in the picture is protesting against a regime that has been responsible the worst mass murder in the bloody history of human kind.

The gentleman in the picture is protesting in support of completely peaceful activists, who are about to be murdered.

The gentleman in the picture is fighting against the violent lunatics, not for them.

The gentleman in the picture undoubtedly expected to die, not for the tanks to stop.

In all these ways, the gentleman in the picture is completely different from that useful idiot, Rachel Corrie.

And yes, his actions were suicidal, and ****ing useless, as they changed NOTHING.