Israel - The Right to exist as a State?
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Jesus in't going to be looking at id's. if you are there you are part of the slaughter as He left it to be tread by the Gentiles until His return.
A Gentile is supposed to pray (at the wall) like this verse describes, bobbing and such comes under vain repetitions. Short and to the point. lol
Lu:18:13:
And the publican,
standing afar off,
would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven,
but smote upon his breast,
saying,
God be merciful to me a sinner.
Wasn't Attila from Germany (or at least influenced them), perhaps that was the first blitzkrieg.
Right down to losing the foreskin. There were certain steps that had to be followed, working for and becoming an equal menber were two different thing the OT covers. Every 7 years you had to release all your servants (they could sign on for another 7 I believe) To get the interest free loans and such was a little longer than just 7 years. I'm not sure if the Jubilee year was tied into that part of their culture.
I'm pretty sure God will have all the right ones there once the resurrecting and gathering is complete.
I'm pretty sure God will have all the right ones there once the resurrecting and gathering is complete.
Israel is about as democratic as Apartheid South Africa.
You can support Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity if you like. I choose to support the innocent civilians on both sides who just want to live in peace.
You can support denying food and medicine from reaching the hungry and sick. I'm going to bitch about it.
You can support soldiers forcing children into pits next to tanks and artillery pieces as they shell the children's relatives. I'm going to condemn it as a war crime.
What you describe as "misbehaving" I describe as torture and murder.
I can look in a mirror and say I tried to speak out to anyone who would listen. One of these days, you'll finally realize what you've been supporting and have a hard time sleeping at night.
I agree that its unlikely that any war criminals from either side will face justice. Still I'm not going to stop speaking out in favor of freedom and justice.
I want to be a proud Canadian. I don't want to be ashamed that my country supports war crimes and crimes against humanity. If Harper supported Palestinian war criminals, I'd be just as unhappy as I am now about his unshakable support for Israeli war criminals. As far as I'm concerned, Harper is a disgrace and Canadians should be ashamed that Canada has taken sides in this conflict. We should be honest and neutral, not lying about Israel's ethnic cleansing activity and defending Israel's use of Chemical Weapons against civilians including children.
I don't believe for a second that Arabs living in Israel will ever have the same rights as Jews. The Zionist plan is a pure Jewish state, not a Jewish majority. They will eventually take every Arab property, one at a time until every Arab in Israel and the occupied territories is living behind a wall with barbed wire and guard towers.
Israel's land grabs have accelerated recently, but its been constant for 60 + years. It even happens at a fairly constant rate during times of relative peace. Once all the non-citizen Arabs have been locked up, the Zionists will turn their attention to the transfer of their Arab citizens.
They may succeed for a time, but I doubt cruelty on that scale can be sustained indefinitely. Right now the Zionists have the upper hand, but sooner or later the pendulum always swings back the other way. When the Arabs and Muslims finally get the upper hand, I expect many of them will want revenge and I expect an orgy of violent revenge atrocities. I expect it will make the Zionist atrocties look fairly tame in comparison.
Despite attempts by Goober and others to portary me as anti-Semitic, I have no ill will towards Jews or Israelis. I am against people who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity only, regardless of sides. When the inevitable happens, I will continue to support Jewish immigration to Canada. In fact, I would support allowing all Jewish refugees fleeing a collapsing Israel coming to Canada without going through the regular immigration process, just like we should have done during the 1930's. Incidents like this are a disgrace:
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A lot here to discuss and unfortunately it's the end of the evening for me but I'll address as much as I can.
Your remark: 'I don't believe for a second that Arabs living in Israel will ever have the same rights as Jews. '
My response, 'Maybe not at this moment, but compare the rights of Israeli Arabs against Jews who live in Arab States. Sorry. The chance of an Israeli Arab actually getting action is much greater and why? Because Israeli law doesn't make a difference between its citizens. Might they have to fight a bit harder? Probably - but in the end, the law works for them. Not only that, there are many 'Jewish' associations that advocate on behalf of Arabs. Can you say the same thing of Arab countries?
I'd like to know your level of moral indignation with regard to the money siphoned off by an assortment of Palestinian officials - Yaser Arafat included. His 'wife', the ferocious Suhah decided to go abroad to deliver their child. She decided that delivering in Palestine wasn't safe enough.She moved to France where it was 'safer' (and the furnishings were better), and when her spouse finally died, it was found that he was worth around $33 million. Guess he either invested wisely or he did what most of the Palestinian brotherhood did, and siphoned off the moneys donated by the world and the NGOs. Any remarks regarding all the money that has gone to the refugee camps in the Gaza, but instead found itself diverted to the pockets of - well - lets just say they weren't Israeli Zionists.
You support Jews coming to Canada? Why? Why shouldn't they live where they have always lived? Because while you might want to acknowledge it, Jews have never stopped living there. It didn't matter who the conquerer du jour was, they always managed to stay. Islamists want to say that the Dome of the Rock doesn't really sit on top of the Temple Mount - archeology proves otherwise, and if the Israeli government wanted to be as hard ass'd as you want to portray them, they would have knocked the mosques down fast. But they didn't.Bizarre, don't you think? I mean, Islam overran Constantinople and converted the Haghia Sophia to a mosque. For the past few years I've been hearing about how Islam respects 'the followers of the book', in other words, Christians and Jews. Well, their respect doesn't extend to giving them back their places of worship.So they really DON't respect them. And if they lie about that, something as important as faith? What else do they lie about? Just playing devils advocate, but I'm hoping that since you have such defined beliefs, you might be able to address my queries.Oh! before I go, here's another one.All this stuff about the legitimacy of the State of Israel. From what I've read, that area was partitioned into two states - Israel (the smaller portion) and Jordan (the larger portion). So technically, that area was separated into a Jewish State and an Arab State.
And considering that that area had been 'owned' by the Ottoman Empire (absentee landlords) and not the 'Palestinians'. Add to that the fact that the Jews who bought land actually DID buy the land from those absentee landlords and at inflated prices - why are you condemning them - why not condemn the Muslim vendors who made a lot of money at their tenant's expense?
Me? I condemn the hardliners on both sides, I have no use for the ones that don't want to talk - that don't want to listen to the other side. Both of them drive me nuts, the 'Settlers?' I can't stand them.Palestinians who would rather use the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to teach their children to read than the alphabet? Just as nasty.
On that note, I'm going to bed.
I deleted the rest of the post simply because this one line belies it..........did Blacks in South africa vote? Were they a minority??? Did they sit in the Parliament??
Don't be bloody ridiculous.
From your post, you obviously missed a number of my posts where I already addressed many of your statements. Before you judge me, you really should take a minute and read what I've written.
For example, I've already written about Arafat and his replacement Abbas:
Here's a post which lists both Israeli and Palestinian war atrocties:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...-israel-right-exist-state-17.html#post1215198
This one explains why I don't support Canada's unshakable support for Israel:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...-israel-right-exist-state-16.html#post1215103
Also, the majority of Jews who live in Muslim countries aren't harassed. I suggest you read this:
Until Zionists began cleansing Palestine of Palestinians, most Muslims and Jews got along rather well, especially in Palestine. IN fact when the Moors were conquered in Spain, most Jews had to leave or convert to Christianity. The Ottoman's sent ships to retrieve Jewish refugees fleeing Spain and brought them back to Istanbul.
History of the Jews in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Historically anti-Semiticism was far worse in Europe and North America, than in most Muslim and Arab countries.
I could address more of your misconceptions about me, but its also time for bed. But I really would appreciate it if you read the above references, thought about it and then made a comment.
This shows your bigotry.....the Arabs were driven out by murderous gangs....even though the instructions you quoted ordered villages destroyed only when there was resistence.......then you say some left willingly....but they deserve compensation....
Then you speak of the Jews leaving Arab countries....90% willingly, you claim, despite the fact they had to leave their posessions behind.
Yep, 800,000 Jews just decided:
"Hey, I've got the urge! Let's dump our life savings, our businesses, our homes, everything we've worked for, and go get shot at on that piece of rock they call Israel!!!!"
Not bloody likely.
THEN - oh SO revealing - in the very same post in which you declared Arabs that left voluntarily deserve compensation, you declare Jews that left "voluntarily" deserve NONE!
Your claims of neutrality are a joke, my friend.
Accusations of anti-Semitism are not unreasonable, considering the pattern of your bias....
"95 % of war crimes were committed by the Israelis"
Yep............ Neutral.
We're on to Ya....give it up.
BTW....let me say publically that I do NOT consider EAO a Jew-hater on the same scale nor with the same vicious intent as the Holocaust deniers on this site......
He is much more subtle....and gentle.
BTW I hate the term "anti-Semitic" Arabs, as well as ME Jews, are "Semites"......
He is much more subtle....and gentle.
BTW I hate the term "anti-Semitic" Arabs, as well as ME Jews, are "Semites"......
I never said it was exactly the same, but about the same, which is correct.
The Whites had full rights like Jews, the coloreds/asians had some rights like Arab Israelis and the Blacks had about the same rights as Palestinians living in the occupied territories.
South Africa under apartheid - Wikipedia
The coloreds and asians could vote and sit in government but the system was designed to give them token represenation only. In reality, the whites controlled government similar to the Jews in Israel.
When you make comments like this "Don't be bloody ridiculous." and you are wrong at the same time, you look foolish and arrogant at the same time.
Please try to be respectful. Maybe you don't know everything and maybe you might even be wrong.
The way these governments reacted to Jews trying to emigrate to Israel (an enemy state) is not that different from how Canada would react if a Muslim declared they wanted to move to Afghanistan and fight along side the Taliban. Good luck selling your property and moving. The Canadian government would seize all you assets exactly the same way. And Canada is an "enlightened" country. Imagine how life would be here for Muslims if our leaders ignored or even encouraged Islamophobia. I imagine many of them would leave, even if that meant leaving everything behind and starting over.
In the majority of cases, 90% according to wikipedia, Arab Jews emigrated willingly and in the majority of cases they were able to sell their belongings. If they were smart, they just had to pretend they were going somewhere else and somehow wound up in Israel.
My accusation stands.......oh, and please tell the Khadrs that they are now dispossessed of all their property in Canada.......I think the gov't forgot. :roll: And they bloody well went to Afghanistan, worked with the Taliban, then returned to have their wounded son treated in Canada......disposessed?????? I think NOT!!!
So much for that argument! I can't believe you even tried that tactic!! TOOOO Silly!!!:lol:
Wikipedia is a useful spot, but really can not be depended on........I use it too, so don't consider this a harsh criticism.......but here is something from the other side, footnoted and a much better source.....
Why Jews Fled the Arab Countries :: Middle East Quarterly
Not much difference in why the Jews fled Arabia, and the Arabs fled Israel......not much at all.
I read recently that it is supposed that Jews had already long established communities down every trade route, including via sea, and that rather than any imposed diaspora there was an abandonment of Jews by Jews after the economic infrastructure was destroyed by the Romans arround 70 AD. So the Holy Land was abandoned by the Sanhedren, the poor Jews had to stay, the upper crust left them to their own devices. I will get you the authors name when my rolodex starts working again.
EAO
I am not the hypocrite - care to respond about the so called Jewish Controlled Media??? I doubt it - You slipped up - and your credibility, small as it was is now in tatters -
I never said this. Good luck finding a quote. I have said that Canada's main stream media has a pro-Israel bias. That's easy to prove. I can find many examples where the our media only quotes Israeli sources or only interviews Israelis, with no Palestinian rebuttal. You'd be hard pressed to find them even quoting or interviewing Palestinian sources and even harder pressed to find them doing this without an Israeli rebuttal.
This is the quote that EAO agrees with - How else would you interpret it but pure Anti Jewish - Jewish Controlled media -CanaduhYour quote "the fact they dont own the media like the jews do. Every time the Israels do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card"
Your Quote & I do not need luck -
I would agree that the holocaust is an important historical event, but that's not why it gets so much news coverage. I'm inclined to agree with Canaduh's and Finklestein's observations regarding the constant and overwhelming Holocaust news coverage. Its being used as cover for Israeli atrocities.
Next - You are inclined to believe in a Jewish Controlled Media - What other Jewish hatred do you have that has not seen the light of day yet - I am sure you can find your own post - it would be diametrically opposed to the point of good judgement -
If any Politician or public personality uttered these words "the fact they don't own the media like the Jews do. Every time the Israel's do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card" the media would run wild - and the public disgust would be felt from every human rights org and major religious figures - yes including many Muslims -
I am not the hypocrite - care to respond about the so called Jewish Controlled Media??? I doubt it - You slipped up - and your credibility, small as it was is now in tatters -
I never said this. Good luck finding a quote. I have said that Canada's main stream media has a pro-Israel bias. That's easy to prove. I can find many examples where the our media only quotes Israeli sources or only interviews Israelis, with no Palestinian rebuttal. You'd be hard pressed to find them even quoting or interviewing Palestinian sources and even harder pressed to find them doing this without an Israeli rebuttal.
This is the quote that EAO agrees with - How else would you interpret it but pure Anti Jewish - Jewish Controlled media -CanaduhYour quote "the fact they dont own the media like the jews do. Every time the Israels do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card"
Your Quote & I do not need luck -
I would agree that the holocaust is an important historical event, but that's not why it gets so much news coverage. I'm inclined to agree with Canaduh's and Finklestein's observations regarding the constant and overwhelming Holocaust news coverage. Its being used as cover for Israeli atrocities.
Next - You are inclined to believe in a Jewish Controlled Media - What other Jewish hatred do you have that has not seen the light of day yet - I am sure you can find your own post - it would be diametrically opposed to the point of good judgement -
If any Politician or public personality uttered these words "the fact they don't own the media like the Jews do. Every time the Israel's do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card" the media would run wild - and the public disgust would be felt from every human rights org and major religious figures - yes including many Muslims -