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[JLM]

Bon on Commercial is $3. Real pan fried spuds, a big heap. I had my fave from here twice this week: Tomahawk Restaurant - Traditional Breakfast | Omelettes | Cereals I had the "mixed grill'. it's not breaky for amateurs.

MIXED GRILL
Nine generous slices of Yukon style bacon, two country fresh eggs, fried or scrambled, two slices of Klondike toast, ORGANIC hamburger patty, aged cheddar cheese, wiener, onions and fresh sautéed mushrooms.

I remember going to the Tomahawk Restaurant back in 1984- I was working on the Sea-Sky Highway at the time and we had an office trailer set up right underneath the Lions Gate Bridge.

 

[petros]

I remember going to the Tomahawk Restaurant back in 1984- I was working on the Sea-Sky Highway at the time and we had an office trailer set up right underneath the Lions Gate Bridge.

Excellent food and good portions at the Tomahawk.

 

[lone wolf]

We have a government that can't even get medical marijuana right and you want them to what, start producing Heroin, Meth, Crack. Don't be ridiculous.

Where did you interpret I want the government to start producing anything? Stop being so ridiculous. Maybe being a writer could be a good outlet for your imagination and cherry-picking skills because it sure doesn't work in intelligent conversation.

I want the incentive for profit and crime taken away. You really don't think it actually costs ten bucks to grow that gram doya?

 

[JLM]

Excellent food and good portions at the Tomahawk.

Seems to me they had good, healthy hamburgers!

 

[lone wolf]

Sure. Force them into treatment. Anything other than watch them inject and hope they help themselves!

I did 28 days in rehab. Got to see all sorts of sliders go through the hoops. Trust me.... There's nothing easier than getting around things.

 

[gerryh]

Sure. Force them into treatment. Anything other than watch them inject and hope they help themselves!

You really don't have a clue, do you.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You said that considering the government couldn't get medical marijuana right...I want to know what you think getting it right means? For controlled and illegal substances there are two models...the government model, and the black market model.

I have no idea what you mean by getting something right in this case, which is why I asked for clarification given the alternative to government run operations and distribution.

Bumbling government operations don't shoot bullets through innocent bystanders homes.

No, they don't and criminals are still selling marijuana. The governments weak attempt to provide medical marijuana has done nothing to slow the illegal production and distribution of marijuana. Many people simply cannot get a doctor to sign off on medical marijuana, how would we propse to get them to sign off on Meth or Heroin? The Government on the other hand won't even embrace legalizing pot, which I support by the way, but you underestimate the ingenuity of the criminal mind.

So, for the sake of argument, if these other deadly drugs were made medically legal;these crime issues still would not go away. The rather naive view that legalization would stop the criminals from killing each other and innocent bystanders or the addicts from stealing or committing crimes to get their prescription is just that.

Naive.

Hell, we got people beating other people to death for a prescription of Oxy.

Does that clarify what I was saying?

Vancouver Coastal Health - Supervised Injection - Supporting Research


Sounds to me like they are more than just a "shooting gallery". Of course, this organization is all about saving people, that's the problem with the naysayers right there. They would rather have their tax dollars going to increased "defense" (there's a misnomer if there ever was one) spending.

Yep, whatever.

 

[lone wolf]

My doc wouldn't sign off on medical marijuana because he thought it just gave cops more rights to be checking me out - priors - both of us, apparently - and he owned the pharmacy....

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Where did you interpret I want the government to start producing anything? Stop being so ridiculous. Maybe being a writer could be a good outlet for your imagination and cherry-picking skills because it sure doesn't work in intelligent conversation.

I want the incentive for profit and crime taken away. You really don't think it actually costs ten bucks to grow that gram doya?

We weren't talking about pot. Were talking about Heroin.Here's the question I asked:

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier
How will the drug users pay for those legal drugs?

Quote: Originally Posted by lone_wolf
If they're on the streets, probably drug benefits....

 

[lone wolf]

No, they don't and criminals are still selling marijuana. The governments weak attempt to provide medical marijuana has done nothing to slow the illegal production and distribution of marijuana. Many people simply cannot get a doctor to sign off on medical marijuana, how would we propse to get them to sign off on Meth or Heroin? The Government on the other hand won't even embrace legalizing pot, which I support by the way, but you underestimate the ingenuity of the criminal mind.

So, for the sake of argument, if these other deadly drugs were made medically legal;these crime issues still would not go away. The rather naive view that legalization would stop the criminals from killing each other and innocent bystanders or the addicts from stealing or committing crimes to get their prescription is just that.

Naive.

Hell, we got people beating other people to death for a prescription of Oxy.

Does that clarify what I was saying?



Yep, whatever.

I'm thinking you're putting a tad more genius to greed in matters criminal. There's nothing all that brilliant about the laws of supply and demand. The stuff costs pennies to make - but costs thousands to get it there. Who knows what gets rubbed into it on the way? The genius move would be to make the stuff worth a few pennies more than the pennies it cost to make it and tax it 100% No demand for thousand-percent-dealer-mark-up shyte? It's not so attractive any more. No getting-away-with-it buzz? No more thrill-seekers.

Addiction is a disease. Why complicate it with a criminal record?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I'm thinking you're putting a tad more genius to greed in matters criminal. There's nothing all that brilliant about the laws of supply and demand. The stuff costs pennies to make - but costs thousands to get it there. Who knows what gets rubbed into it on the way? The genius move would be to make the stuff worth a few pennies more than the pennies it cost to make it and tax it 100% No demand for thousand-percent-dealer-mark-up shyte? It's not so attractive any more. No getting-away-with-it buzz? No more thrill-seekers.

Addiction is a disease. Why complicate it with a criminal record?

It's never going to happen. You know it and I know it, as well we would be isolating ourselves from our biggest trading partner. Nevermind that it is an incredibly repugnant idea. If addiction is a disease then we should go to work on the treatment instead of getting into bed with the germ.

 

[gerryh]

little hard to "get to work" on the the treatment when the narrow minded keep wanting to close down those that are working towards exactly that.

 

[lone wolf]

The question you asked was in response to what I asked of Lone Wolf when he said the drugs should be supplied through our health care system. He also drew a conclusion that this would end all our woes and then you chimed. Were you simply playing devils advocate?

Excuse me? Show me that conclusion, please?....

We weren't talking about pot. Were talking about Heroin.Here's the question I asked:

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier
How will the drug users pay for those legal drugs?

Quote: Originally Posted by lone_wolf
If they're on the streets, probably drug benefits....

Heroin.... Methadone. Smells like a vodka-and-orange. It's covered by OHIP

BTW: I'm speaking of all drugs. End prohibition. It didn't work the first time.

 

[JLM]

Sure. Force them into treatment. Anything other than watch them inject and hope they help themselves!

Yep, as a last resort, I agree, but not sure how high the success rate will be. Better if it's their idea, or at least you can get them to think it's their idea. :smile:

]No, they don't and criminals are still selling marijuana[/B]. The governments weak attempt to provide medical marijuana has done nothing to slow the illegal production and distribution of marijuana. Many people simply cannot get a doctor to sign off on medical marijuana, how would we propse to get them to sign off on Meth or Heroin? The Government on the other hand won't even embrace legalizing pot, which I support by the way, but you underestimate the ingenuity of the criminal mind.

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Are they any worse than the "criminals" who are selling booze (at the gov't liquor store)?

 

[Tonington]

No, they don't and criminals are still selling marijuana. The governments weak attempt to provide medical marijuana has done nothing to slow the illegal production and distribution of marijuana.

Why would it or even why should it? The purpose for medical marijuana is...medical, not to stop criminal enterprise.

Many people simply cannot get a doctor to sign off on medical marijuana, how would we propse to get them to sign off on Meth or Heroin?

That's not a function of doctor's being unwilling, it's the regulations in place that make it difficult, because it's a controlled substance so they have to have checks...again, that is a failure, but I'm simply asking you what you think getting it right would look like. Not asking you to critique what's wrong.

So, for the sake of argument, if these other deadly drugs were made medically legal;these crime issues still would not go away.

Again, why would they? Prescriptions aren't made to deter crime...I have no idea what you and LW were talking about, but I am only interested in what you think getting it right means. You said the government can't even get it right...what is getting it right.

What does good look like?

The rather naive view that legalization would stop the criminals from killing each other and innocent bystanders or the addicts from stealing or committing crimes to get their prescription is just that.

Drug-related crime would be drastically reduced if those same drugs were no longer in the black market. It's naive to think that drug-related crime would not be reduced if the source of the crime is ameliorated...

 

[Goober]

You said that considering the government couldn't get medical marijuana right...I want to know what you think getting it right means? For controlled and illegal substances there are two models...the government model, and the black market model.

I have no idea what you mean by getting something right in this case, which is why I asked for clarification given the alternative to government run operations and distribution.

Bumbling government operations don't shoot bullets through innocent bystanders homes.[/QUOTE]

They could not get consistent levels of THC - The key to what works - Millions spent on a contractor that could not for consistent weed.

As to the BMarket smoke - There are a wide varieties of fine weed. BC is highly rated - perhaps taking some of those plants and transferring them to the site in Manitoba. Why

Politics and Agenda

So the Guns and bullets is uncalled for -

 

[petros]

You said that considering the government couldn't get medical marijuana right...I want to know what you think getting it right means? For controlled and illegal substances there are two models...the government model, and the black market model.

I have no idea what you mean by getting something right in this case, which is why I asked for clarification given the alternative to government run operations and distribution.

Bumbling government operations don't shoot bullets through innocent bystanders homes.[/QUOTE]

They could not get consistent levels of THC - The key to what works - Millions spent on a contractor that could not for consistent weed.

As to the BMarket smoke - There are a wide varieties of fine weed. BC is highly rated - perhaps taking some of those plants and transferring them to the site in Manitoba. Why

Politics and Agenda

So the Guns and bullets is uncalled for -

THC isn't the main medicinal ingrdient, it's a combination of 56+ compounds. Some ailments require varying combinations. Prairie Plant wasn't contracted to produce variety only one type which was rejected by the medicinal users.

 

[Goober]

THC isn't the main medicinal ingrdient, it's a combination of 56+ compounds. Some ailments require varying combinations. Prairie Plant wasn't contracted to produce variety only one type which was rejected by the medicinal users.

Thank you - So why were they awarded a contract for crap? The Govt is about to revoke the right of medicinal users to grow their own. Pure politics.

 

[gerryh]

Presure from down south I bet.

 

[Goober]

Presure from down south I bet.

Many US States are going the other way - To many people in Prison – To expensive – No payoff - Up here we are going down a failed road. Pure ideology. Pandering to the far right wing.