Wouldn't be taxed as much if there aren't folk about who'd mug you and rob your house to pay the huge mark-up for illegal stuff.
Insite Given Exemption By SCoC
- Thread starter petros
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bottom line, none of us want to pay and most of us don't really care as long as it's not there car getting broken into, or there son or daughter hooked on that crap. make it legal? no way! It's not going away, so we have to buck up and deal with the real issues.
You are not dealing with reality if you think that picking up the cost of drugs for addicts is going to magically sort out all the criminal aspects of addiction. We have droves of mentally ill people walking the streets who don't have drug issues and we haven't the facilities to help them, sorry dude I'm not buying it.
I don't think we should buy them drugs, I do not agree with lone wolf at all. We all pay for there drugs in one way or another. One guy I kind of know says we should fill dump trucks full of pure heroin and dump it at main and wastings, let them all OD but lets be real.
You're not dealing with reality if you think organized crime is going to compete with low-overhead legal product. No risk = No profit.
What is it you're not agreeing with?
One thing that no one considers is
1 - the low cost of producing drugs.
2 - The many new chems etc that are coming on the market
That equals - there will always be illegal drugs.
We have a government that can't even get medical marijuana right and you want them to what, start producing Heroin, Meth, Crack. Don't be ridiculous.
What is getting it right supposed to even mean? Right now the people getting it right are violent thugs who don't care where the bullets from their guns end up...
What it means is that its a ridiculous notion and the Feds have enough issues with tobbaco killing people which I have heard endless complaints about, but you guys want to get in the business of making and distributing drugs. You want to open them up to legal issues when Mary Sue Smith gets hooked on Canada Grade A Heroin or Meth or maybe some good old Crack Cocaine..
You think that by getting into the business of killing people with chemicals is going to quell that violence? Are you smoking or snorting or shooting what your preaching. Do you want your children to be able to get their hands on this crap legally, because I can tell you when you have a family member f_cked up on this sh!t it aint pretty. You're not just destroying one person, you are destroying families. And don't kid yourself Bud, no one is immune to the the threat of drug addiction. I was very open with my kids and still was caught completely unaware when it all came down.
The very notion is utter stupidity.
I think we all know kind of how to solve the problem or at least start on that road, but some of us say it's not my problem others don't want to fix it and some just don't have a grasp on reality. I say for hard drug dealers, life in jail? really we have to get on track and stop allowing it to continue. Give our youth opportunity, fight the "class" war. This country needs to belong to the people, not the few at the top.
By the time people are using Insite they have lost everything; their families, friends, jobs, assets, and health. Police aren't going to magically fix the problems of drug addiction. The cops arrest and release because there isn't room in the system to deal with these problems. Drug addicts will go back to doing anything to get their hands on drugs, usually right away. The only chance East End addicts have is to not die of AIDS or a drug overdose. Lets at least give them that, especially if they are showing the initiative to go to Insite in an attempt to stay alive.
So let's be complicit in their potential for crime (stealing and such) so they they don't die of Aids or overdose? What about the victims of those crimes? Don't they count?
With the money were dumping into this Enabling program, why not build a treatment clinic?
I fully agree with a treatment clinic, but I think the "shooting gallery" could serve a purpose, in that it brings them to a place where perhaps counselling could be available and could serve as a transition to treatment.
An individual has to hit the very bottom before they can make a decision to make the attempt(s) to go clean... In my view, Insite is padding that fall and delaying that process.
What I am not understanding is why a concept like Insite engages the individual at the point (in the addiction process) where the person is getting their "reward" (ie high)... I could easily get behind a program that opens their doors to an addict when they are coming down and suffering the ill effects of craving more drugs... Provide them with a bed and food and some medical services, and then talk to them about rehab. I'll wager that they would have far superior results in turning some of these folks around.
In the end, you don't talk to an alcoholic in the middle of a bender when the party is going full tilt.. You wait until the money is gone, the bottles are empty and the hangover sets in.
But if you go back further into the thread you'll see advocation for not only legalizing the drugs, but actually have them issued under Health Canada. We need to get people treatment. I'm all for arresting them and putting money into treating them, but the Libertarians will say that's Fascism, better to give them clean needles and a place to shoot.
Edited to add: I know some will get hung up on the word "arrest." Drug use is illegal, rather than toss people in jails we should be admitting them to facilities that deal with this sort of thing.
They say that right up to the point until it is one of their family members or friends that are caught-up in that destructive cycle.
This is the problem with taking a purely academic approach to solving this problem; these yahoos have no understanding that they are experimenting with real people, real lives and real futures.