Insite Given Exemption By SCoC

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captain morgan said:
That's $300,000 per success... Not exactly cost effective, is it?
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Let's say the average age of the subject is 30 and let's say he will be working for 30 years and paying taxes for 30 years and reducing the costs born by social services, courts, theft etc. It's not going to be cost effective in a year or even five, that's for sure. Let's say the guy has a wife and 3 kids, who are now dependent on social services, which would translate to even a greater saving. Not to be forgotten is the fact he will likely being paying for his own funeral vs. the system having to pay.
 
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It's a great big enabling load of Oscar Mayer Bologna.

If you want to help people offer programs that help clean them up, don't offer them a way to continue their addiction. Insite looks like a creative way to create new jobs in the health sector. As Captain Morgan said, it is a supply and demand issue. While I'm not a fan of the archaic three strike laws in the US I do think that we need to push the penalties for trafficking this garbage up a great deal.
 
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petros said:
Did I buy the last round of beer or is it your turn?
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Hell, I'll buy...

But bear in mind, one of the key words here is "buy", as in legally purchased with all of the sin taxes in place along with PST and GST to placate the hand-wringing of the do-gooders out there.

JLM said:
Let's say the average age of the subject is 30 and let's say he will be working for 30 years and paying taxes for 30 years and reducing the costs born by social services, courts, theft etc.
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Compared to the average Joe that has been working for the entire time, not dependent on the system AND not supporting criminal enterprises?

The $3 million I mentioned is solely for the operations of Insite, bear in mind that Insite is basically the Mecca for drug users and with that population attracted to that area, additional costs pile up like the increased man-power of the police to deal with the area, city crews to clean up the trash (needles, paraphernalia, etc) or the city, provincial and federal admin costs that are heaped onto the overall cost of Insite.

I an go on, but the #'s only get worse.

JLM said:
It's not going to be cost effective in a year or even five, that's for sure.
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It won't ever be cost effective JLM. Fact is, Insite doesn't actively (aggressively) work to rehabilitate users, like RCS just pointed out, Insite enables these folks to continue down this path of destruction.

The cold-hearted analysis of this will support the notion that the longer an addict is using these substances and only consuming public resources (without any input), their relative costs go up in both the long and short term... In effect, Insite is dragging-out this process and costing the system more money overall as compared to the scenario that they didn't exist.
 
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captain morgan said:
Hell, I'll buy...

But bear in mind, one of the key words here is "buy", as in legally purchased with all of the sin taxes in place along with PST and GST to placate the hand-wringing of the do-gooders out there.



Compared to the average Joe that has been working for the entire time, not dependent on the system AND not supporting criminal enterprises?

The $3 million I mentioned is solely for the operations of Insite, bear in mind that Insite is basically the Mecca for drug users and with that population attracted to that area, additional costs pile up like the increased man-power of the police to deal with the area, city crews to clean up the trash (needles, paraphernalia, etc) or the city, provincial and federal admin costs that are heaped onto the overall cost of Insite.

I an go on, but the #'s only get worse.



It won't ever be cost effective JLM. Fact is, Insite doesn't actively (aggressively) work to rehabilitate users, like RCS just pointed out, Insite enables these folks to continue down this path of destruction.

The cold-hearted analysis of this will support the notion that the longer an addict is using these substances and only consuming public resources (without any input), their relative costs go up in both the long and short term... In effect, Insite is dragging-out this process and costing the system more money overall as compared to the scenario that they didn't exist.
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Taken as a whole it's not too beneficial, I agree. I think it slows down the damage and mayhem with a few positive results, but you have to start somewhere, I see this as a start not the end.
 
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Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!
CBC, July 2011 - Health officials in Vancouver say they will launch a pilot project later this year to distribute clean, unused crack pipes to drug users.
Times Colonist, October 2011 - The days of enjoying a leisurely smoke on a Greater Victoria park bench or at the beach could be numbered. The capital region will undoubtedly follow other municipalities in considering a smoking ban in outdoor areas such as parks, playgrounds, beaches and trails, local politicians say.
 
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Colpy. I 100% understand where you are coming from butt cigarettes butts are the world's leading piece of litter.

It is estimated that several trillion cigarette butts are littered worldwide
every year. That's billions of cigarettes flicked, one at a time, on our
sidewalks, beaches, nature trails, gardens, and other public places every
single day. In fact, cigarettes are the most littered item in America
and the world. Cigarette filters are made of cellulose acetate tow, NOT COTTON,
and they can take decades to degrade. Not only does cigarette litter ruin even
the most picturesque setting, but the toxic residue in cigarette filters is
damaging to the environment, and littered butts cause numerous fires every
year, some of them fatal.
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Colpy said:
Baloney.

Exactly what part of the law is the Minister NOT following?????
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The section where the exemption is listed for medical reasons. Supervised injection ameliorates the risk of morbidity and mortality. Therefore denying someone with an illness access to a treatment centers like Insite, is denying someone Charter liberty rights.

The end of Liberty.
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Yeah yeah, standard conservative Bull $hit. Read the decision, and maybe try to understand it before you start reaching so far that your arms fall off.
 
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Well, I suppose that the only thing that Insite has to worry about is the Feds revoking their ability to have illegal narcotics on site... But they can supervise insulin injections all day long.
 
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captain morgan said:
Well, I suppose that the only thing that Insite has to worry about is the Feds revoking their ability to have illegal narcotics on site... But they can supervise insulin injections all day long.
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And the SCoC will overturn that - Denying medical care - for 1 -
 
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