If now you see a miracle, will you believe?

[eanassir]

I have had conversations with bears. They are quite attentive and curious but they did not tell me about God, Allah, Mohammed or the Qur'an.

I don't think they have told you anything; so next time, they may realy tell you true words or acts

I've found that deer are quite attentive too, Cliffy. We have them wandering through the yard most of the year and if I happen to be out when they come by, I always stop and chat with them. Love the way their ears poke forward as if trying to catch every word. :smile:

Eee ... a deer ok, but the bear? it may be it will be attentive to Cliffy , or more correctly: Clifffy will be so attentive to the bear

 

[Cliffy]

I don't think they have told you anything; so next time, they may realy tell you true words or acts

You only say that because it contradicts what you expect to hear. I lived in the forest with the animals and they taught me more about life than all the books (hundreds) that I ever read. The truth and life cannot be contained in any book or an entire library for that matter. The truth can only be found with an open mind and heart.

 

[Durry]

The truth can only be found with an open mind and heart.

Oh,,,, heavy !!! Whew !!!

 

[Cliffy]

Oh,,,, heavy !!! Whew !!!

No, just the opposite - a lightness of being. Enlightenment cannot be reached by being serious about anything. "Lighten up, eh!"
Or as a friend once put it, "Life is but a joke and the joke is on you."

 

[eanassir]

I am not all filled with religious fervor however, if you look at all the religions and the
various religions Muslim, Jewish, and Christian there is some connections that do
exist. All claim to be the children of Abraham, to start with. The Arabs and the
Israelis are for all intent and purposes cousins. and the Christians have the same
God as the other two minus Jesus.
It should be pointed out the number two prophet of the Muslims is Christ, that the
Jewish people ignore.
As for miracles, miracles are marvels of nature and how they come about or why is
not the issue, they just happen in my view. I am not an atheist though I am not much
of a fervent believer either. The reason for me is that Christ, was a revolutionary and
he did exist, despite the fact he might have been the son of God is not the point. The
fact is he had some great advice and some serious teachings that if people did what
he pointed out things would be a lot better.
The problem is mankind over the last two thousand year warped, twisted and in fact
prostituted the religion for money and power. The four books of the Bible demonstrate
that. Four leaders were fighting for control of the faith and the stories leave more
questions than answers, and to appease the faithful and preserve the church itself they
admitted the four books of the Bible and left out nearly two dozen others like the writings
of Timothy, and Mary, the girlfriend of Christ.

I agree with many of your words, but some words I find not correct: What you said about a girl-friend of Jesus: no he is above that and he taught the world the high morale and obeying the Commandments of God and if anyone looks to a woman with lust, he will have committed adultery within his hear. So don't accuse him: this noble apostle; only listening to rumors: where are your 4 witnesses who saw Jesus had this as his grirl-friend?

(Would they bring four witnesses to [prove their claim!]
But since they did not bring the [required] witnesses, then they are the liars, in God's sight.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 14: 13
{لَوْلَا جَاؤُوا عَلَيْهِ بِأَرْبَعَةِ شُهَدَاء فَإِذْ لَمْ يَأْتُوا بِالشُّهَدَاء فَأُوْلَئِكَ عِندَ اللَّهِ هُمُ الْكَاذِبُونَ} (13) سورة النــور

There are miracles in nature all around us, there are things that happen by chance and
there is certainly the unexplained, but are the miracles? Perhaps to those who benefit
they are, but I don't know for sure myself. The problem is with miracles, is you have to
have unquestionable faith, not reason, or science. I don't go by events of faith alone, or
very much faith at all. I still believe those who are claiming a miracle to be true should be
able to do so using reason and science as well.

Sometimes the miracle comes according to what people demands of their apostle to do a miracle proving that he is truly sent by God.
So here when the miracle comes, and people do not believe, they will be destroyed.

Miracles of the Prophets

 

[JLM]

I agree with many of your words, but some words I find not correct: What you said about a girl-friend of Jesus

Wouldn't that be Mary Magdalene? Or do you know more than the Biblical scholars? :smile:

 

[eanassir]

eanassir is just trying to legitimatize the Muslim religion on the back of Christianity. It's the oldest communication trick in the book. Keep comparing something bad to something a lot of people see as good and spin the yarns.

It's like making a purse out of a sow's ear !!

This reaction of you indicates you are afraid of the truth should be exposed, and people will know
the Quran confrims the Ten Commandments

The Ten Commandments In The Quran

and the Quran confirms all the prophets including Jesus and Mohammed.

In regards to Death, that's a bit of a stretch and/or exaggeration.

I mean such atheists are used to deny, even they intend to deny death, but they cannot; because it is so obvious that death is the end of all material beings.

(Have they not seen that God Who created the heavens and the earth isAble to create the like of them;
moreover He has appointed for them a term, ofwhich there is no doubt;
yet the wrong-doers refuse anything but to unbelieve.)


The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 17: 99
{أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّ اللّهَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ قَادِرٌ عَلَى أَن يَخْلُقَ مِثْلَهُمْ وَجَعَلَ لَهُمْ أَجَلاً لاَّ رَيْبَ فِيهِ فَأَبَى الظَّالِمُونَ إَلاَّ كُفُورًا} (99) سورة الإسراء

Believe what?

Believe that God is One without associate or son or daughter or parents or equal, and believe the Quran is the word of God, and that Mohammed is the apostle of God, and believe in the true interpretation of the Quran.

Why should anybody be restricted to only 2-3 lines?

It is not compulsory, but much words and objections will distract from the specific idea.

 

[Durry]

This reaction of you indicates you are afraid of the truth should be exposed, and people will know
the Quran confrims the a.

Well now that you have been here for a while and seen how Christians apply their religion to benifit all mankind, you should go back to your barbarian country and teach the barbarians how to apply the Muslim religion to benifit mankind as well.
Your type had done a lot of damage to us and we're getting tired of always helping you and solving your problems.
You imply muslim faith is similar to Christanity, now it's time for you to stop talking the talk and start walking the talk!!

 

[lone wolf]

Which benefit? Guilt? Little-mindedness? Self-appointed demi-gods who believe they have the right to judge other people - especially if they happen to be not quite the same as self?

 

[Corduroy]

If now you see a miracle, will you believe?

If you don't see a small one every day, you are not paying attention.
I felt the small hand of an almost-three year old slip into mine as we walked.
There was such warmth that it could have been a miracle.

I sat down in a chair previously occupied by my roommate and it was still warm. Miracle?

 

[Durry]

I sat down in a chair previous occupied by my roommate and it was still warm. Miracle?

Yep, farting is always an act of god, so it's a miracle !!

 

[Cliffy]

Wouldn't that be Mary Magdalene? Or do you know more than the Biblical scholars? :smile:

Mary was the wife of Jesus according to the writings of the other 8 Apostles. The wedding where he supposedly changed water to wine was his own. There were dozens of books left out of the bible due to purely political reasons by Constantine and those who would benefit from forming and controlling the new religion. They were all men and could not stomach the idea of a woman being a head of this church so they wrote Mary out of the equation because in fact, Jesus originally said Mary was the rock upon which he would build his faith (later changed to church).

 

[darkbeaver]

If now you see a miracle, will you believe?

If you don't see a small one every day, you are not paying attention.
I felt the small hand of an almost-three year old slip into mine as we walked.
There was such warmth that it could have been a miracle.

I think you are very smart. Most of us are to stupid to appreciate the miracle we live on or the miracle that we are allowed to dream of miracles or love which is surely a miracle. What have we heard about forests and trees? I was kissed by a frog once.

 

[Johnnny]

if its a miracle ill take it with a grain of salt like thomas the apostle did, even though the circumstance is from a book written by man pertaining to god...

 

[Cliffy]

I think it is a miracle that humming beings have survived our own stupidity and blood lust.

 

[MHz]

if its a miracle ill take it with a grain of salt like Thomas the apostle did, even though the circumstance is from a book written by man pertaining to god...

Thomas wasn't shy of being shown proof, nor was he a lesser believer after. Most got proof, without demanding it) that first night when they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Johnnny]

than i myself would be open to being shown proof

 

[MHz]

I sat down in a chair previously occupied by my roommate and it was still warm. Miracle?

No, it shows he was recently alive though.

 

[Johnnny]

I sat down in a chair previously occupied by my roommate and it was still warm. Miracle?

if you didnt understand what latent heat is than yes it could be considered a miracle to you

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[MHz]

what is your response then: will you believe or keep up to your previous idea: that God has Jesus as His son?

I'm going to stick (for a long time) with my last post on the other thread.