I remember I attended Mormon services once in Salt Lake City (I lived there for seven years). Their sacrament is bread and water. They of course do not drink alcohol, so they cannot have wine as part of the sacrament.
Harper Snubs The Catholics By Not Eating The Host
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The Archbishop involved said that there was no problem with a non-Catholic taking communion if he/she was true in his/her intent...and whereas Harper is most definitely a Christian, the Archbishop had no issues.
The only issue is in the minds of people who want to stir up trouble for no useful reason.
Perhaps masturbation combined with hand washing fetish? That would explain the fetish.
Canon Law is clear on who can present himself or herself at Mass for reception of the Eucharist. It is someone in full communion with the Holy See, and free of any conscious grave sin. No Anglican, No Evangelical, No Baptist, can accept the Eucharist. None of these recognize it as the Body and Blood of Christ and all are excommunicated from the Church. If Harper had any class he would have simply remained in his place in a dignified manner, rather than blunder up and impose a gross indignity on the Host and Catholic Faith.
Harper is a fool. The way he handled this, ideological, intellectually shallow with little understanding of what he is dealing with, is the way he has handled his office. He owes Catholics an apology, and should pray to God for forgiveness for offending Christ in such a egregious way.
Harper is a fool. The way he handled this, ideological, intellectually shallow with little understanding of what he is dealing with, is the way he has handled his office. He owes Catholics an apology, and should pray to God for forgiveness for offending Christ in such a egregious way.
I think you should get a life. It's fossils hiding behind their fifteen hundred year old ideas that are driving people away in droves....
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8O.........Heard on the radio today, that the story is in fact, a crock.:bs:
One guy who works at the paper that broke the story was suspended for a month, and a couple more got fired.
..............hooooooooooooooooooocares!!
The IMPORTANT thing is we were able to booo Harper for a bit, and that's damn enjoyable.....:laughing6:
One guy who works at the paper that broke the story was suspended for a month, and a couple more got fired.
..............hooooooooooooooooooocares!!
The IMPORTANT thing is we were able to booo Harper for a bit, and that's damn enjoyable.....:laughing6:
In some congregations they will have someone in the front pews monitoring those who accept the Eucharist in the hand to ensure it is not taken for some other purpose. In a growing segment of the Catholic Church, those interested in reestablishing the Tridentine Latin Mass, in it original form and language, the Eucharist is not allowed in the hand, to avoid a situation of a loss of all reverence for Host, as we see here.
In those parishes, specifically in those of the Fraternal Society of St. Peter, delivers the Eucharist directly to the tongue, while kneeling at railing that separates the Sanctuary from the Nave. In the posture of the Novus Ordo, which replaced the TLM after Vatican 2, the Eucharist can be accepted in the hand, while standing, and quite frankly like a lot of V2 innovations has managed to obfuscate and Protestanize the Catholic liturgy.
Frankly knowing that he was dealing with many people who were not Catholic, or Orthodox, the priest should have made clear that those outside the Catholic and Orthodox Rites should not present themselves to take the Eucharist prior to the Mass.
In those parishes, specifically in those of the Fraternal Society of St. Peter, delivers the Eucharist directly to the tongue, while kneeling at railing that separates the Sanctuary from the Nave. In the posture of the Novus Ordo, which replaced the TLM after Vatican 2, the Eucharist can be accepted in the hand, while standing, and quite frankly like a lot of V2 innovations has managed to obfuscate and Protestanize the Catholic liturgy.
Frankly knowing that he was dealing with many people who were not Catholic, or Orthodox, the priest should have made clear that those outside the Catholic and Orthodox Rites should not present themselves to take the Eucharist prior to the Mass.
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I don't agree with you at all here. As already stated, if you are in a Catholic Church, they announce that only Catholics are invited to partake in Communion. Personally I find that totally arrogant on the part of the church and totally un-christian like behaviour from the church. I would have declined the wafer just for that reason alone. Anyone and everyone is invited to particpate in my church and no one is expected to take part if they choose not to. He may have felt like I do - that if he did not carry the title he carries, he would not have been invited to particpate so he chose not to. He did nothing wrong.
I'd be asking for jam to put on it. Maybe Harpy thought they wouldn't have any jam and he thought asking for a doggy bag would be uncool so he put it in his pocket. Then again, I used to do that with brussel sprouts so maybe he doesn't like wafers. Maybe he has an allergy to wafers.
I'm glad that you've corrected the Archbishop. He'll be pleased to know that you know more about the subject than he does.
CTV News: The Liberals concocted the wafer scandal and used Liberal-friendly paper to spread the lie
Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 01:53 AM
CTV's Robert Fife reports this evening that it was the Liberal Party who concocted the false story of Prime Minister Stephen Harper pocketing a communion wafer at a Roman Catholic mass, and that these people within the Liberal Party delivered the story to a Liberal-friendly newspaper publisher, who then passed it down to a Liberal-friendly editor, who published the story under the byline of two professional reporters who had nothing to do with this.
Here's a transcription of Robert Fife's stunning report:
I'm not saying Paul Zed had anything to do with this. But he would know all the players, and has personal connections with the Irvings. If anyone in the Liberal Party can discover who did this and repair the damage being done to the Liberal Party now that this operation has been reported on, it is Paul Zed.
Michael Ignatieff ought to direct Paul Zed to uncover the identities of those did the deed and who had knowledge of it.
But I bet he won't. Michael Ignatieff will just hide and hope this blows over.
Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 01:53 AM
CTV's Robert Fife reports this evening that it was the Liberal Party who concocted the false story of Prime Minister Stephen Harper pocketing a communion wafer at a Roman Catholic mass, and that these people within the Liberal Party delivered the story to a Liberal-friendly newspaper publisher, who then passed it down to a Liberal-friendly editor, who published the story under the byline of two professional reporters who had nothing to do with this.
Here's a transcription of Robert Fife's stunning report:
Lisa, most of us will remember the story that went all around the world about the prime minister apparently not eating the host when he was at the funeral of former governor general Romeo LeBlanc. That story was first published in the St John Telegraph Journal which is owned by the billionaire Irving family. The prime minister hit the roof. Well, today, a grovelling apology from the paper. They said the story was not true. So what happened? Well, I'm told that the Liberals passed the story to young Jamie Irving who was the publisher of the paper. He passed it to the editor who put it in the paper without checking it out, and today the editor has been fired, and Jamie's father has suspended his son for thirty days, and I'm told the prime minister is pretty thrilled with that.
The person or persons in the Liberal Party who did this must be called to account.
- The person or persons cost an editor her job (though it appears she deserved to be fired).
- The person or persons has cost The Telegraph-Journal a large portion of its credibility.
- The person or persons has damaged the reputation of two professional journalists.
- The person or persons has stirred up religious anger for political gain.
- the person or persons who constructed this story
- the person or persons who delivered the story to Jamie Irving
- the person or persons who managed this operation and authorized it
I'm not saying Paul Zed had anything to do with this. But he would know all the players, and has personal connections with the Irvings. If anyone in the Liberal Party can discover who did this and repair the damage being done to the Liberal Party now that this operation has been reported on, it is Paul Zed.
Michael Ignatieff ought to direct Paul Zed to uncover the identities of those did the deed and who had knowledge of it.
But I bet he won't. Michael Ignatieff will just hide and hope this blows over.
:idea:Sorry - I should have been more clear. I've never taken communion in a roman Catholic Church - the few times I took communion were in an Anglican Church. the Anglican church uses wafers and wine - just as the Roman Catholics do.
Having said that, if i chose to return to the Anglican Church, I'd take communion there - but I'd never take it in the Roman Catholic Church - cause I'm not RC.
Harper's protocol people dropped the ball on this one - they should have checked out the possibility of his being invited to the rail and what he should have done when and if the situation came up - as it did.
It must suck for Harper that even after all the explanations that it's a false story, people are going to just blindly carry on believing it.
And it just sucks in general that people would let THIS be a news item. I'd hate to see what happens if something real ever happens.
And it just sucks in general that people would let THIS be a news item. I'd hate to see what happens if something real ever happens.
They apologized to save money on a potential lawsuit.
The Conservative wagons are circling to protect the leader from negative advertising in a possible election year.
If this did not go away then Harper might have lost even bigger than he will.
Maybe this paper will get exclusive stories and have more access to the Prime Minister so it is worth it for them to appologize.
The other reporters will have to fight for the crumbs thats left.
The Conservative wagons are circling to protect the leader from negative advertising in a possible election year.
If this did not go away then Harper might have lost even bigger than he will.
Maybe this paper will get exclusive stories and have more access to the Prime Minister so it is worth it for them to appologize.
The other reporters will have to fight for the crumbs thats left.
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I like the idea that, even though the story was made up, it's still somehow Harper's fault. The mindless twits still somehow believe that it's all Harper's fault.
Liberalman, you don't know JK Irving. He doesn't back down from a lawsuit, and there's no way he'd fire his grandson to avoid one. You don't know what you are talking about.
Liberalman, you don't know JK Irving. He doesn't back down from a lawsuit, and there's no way he'd fire his grandson to avoid one. You don't know what you are talking about.