Harper predicts pain at gas pumps if Layton is in power

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Anyone that thinks the Cap and Trade scam is good needs a reality check.
Gas in Frankfurt Germany this morning: 1.63 Eu/ liter. = $2.29 Cdn
Diesel 1.50Eu $2.11 Cdn.
Ain't socialism grand?

That's not the scam part.

That's how it's supposed to work.
 

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In the thing about trade with our biggest trading partner. Have you asked any long haul truckers how good their positions are?? What once was a decnt job moving product to and from US-Canada, has become a wait for a load! high cost of feul, strong dollar many drivers curse get a load somewhere wait couple days give or take for a return load. Seems Harper is blind to what is really going on!! Trade has dropped over the last 10 years or so. Many good jobs dissapeared to Mexico and such, more imports from china .......

As more jobs faulter he claims that many created. Perhaps in areas outside the hard hit industrial sectors of ontario and quebec. Most i know and spoken to are at witts end, walking the fine line of survival and loosing all they ever worked for or had!

Please remember whomever gets in has a big catastrophy to clean up - does it mean more taxes hope not!! perhaps a cap on bank and oil profits to aliviate is not such a bad idea. Why has noone come up with a tax plan to hike corporate taxes only to those whom boost a profit of over 10 mil to 20% on amounts over and above?? Then maybe that would be incentive for the big corparations to create jobs to avoid the higher tax. And ones that don't pay the higher tax to increase federal funds to reduce debt, pay for needed items like health care ??
 
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I don't know about you guys, but I hope it becomes affordable and practical to conserve on fuel rather than having to pay a high price for something that we can't wein ourselves off of.

Personally, I'd rather have an electric car for a second vehicle rather than a muscle car. But where do I find it? and where can I find it for about the same price as an old muscle car?
 

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Anyone that thinks the Cap and Trade scam is good needs a reality check.
Gas in Frankfurt Germany this morning: 1.63 Eu/ liter. = $2.29 Cdn
Diesel 1.50Eu $2.11 Cdn.
Ain't socialism grand?

Germany has a fuel tax equal to €0.6545 per litre of gasoline and €0.4704 per litre of diesel. They also have a 19% value added tax which bumps the price of fuel up. The wide margin between our fuel costs and theirs is due to the tax on fuel, not the cap and trade. How many times must this be said before it sinks in through peoples thick skulls?
 

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Germany has a fuel tax equal to €0.6545 per litre of gasoline and €0.4704 per litre of diesel. They also have a 19% value added tax which bumps the price of fuel up. The wide margin between our fuel costs and theirs is due to the tax on fuel, not the cap and trade. How many times must this be said before it sinks in through peoples thick skulls?

And from an environmental perspective, that is actually a superior system to cap and trade anyway.
 

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That's not the scam part.

That's how it's supposed to work.

Doubling gas prices is how it is supposed to work? Explain to me again how this will create jobs anyplace other than the welfare office. And if this is the good news what might the really bad part be?

Germany has a fuel tax equal to €0.6545 per litre of gasoline and €0.4704 per litre of diesel. They also have a 19% value added tax which bumps the price of fuel up. The wide margin between our fuel costs and theirs is due to the tax on fuel, not the cap and trade. How many times must this be said before it sinks in through peoples thick skulls?

Cap and trade is a tax. Or outright theft depending on your perspective. Either way it is a stupid idea that just raises the costs of everything. Including the electric scooter my wife just got and charges on solar. Too bad it don't go far or fast.
 

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Layton will be looking for every tax dollar he can find to support his spending habits!!
You got that right, and as someone who lives on a fixed income with no motor vehicle, I still will not be able to afford a government led by the NDP or the Liberals.
 

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Cap and trade is a tax.

It puts a price on carbon emissions, that doesn't make it a tax. Do the math, remove the price of the fuel taxes, and value added taxes, and compare the two.

The 0.6545 eurocent fuel tax is 0.924 Canadian dollars. Add the value added tax, and now you've removed 1.362 Canadian dollars.

As I've now said about five times, the large difference in prices is the fuel tax. Of course cap and trade adds price, but the effect is minimal when the price is properly accounted for with all other factors.
 

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You got that right, and as someone who lives on a fixed income with no motor vehicle, I still will not be able to afford a government led by the NDP or the Liberals.

You remind me of a women I know who was on welfare and voted for Mike Harris's common sense revolution. As soon as the Harris conservatives took power, they cut her benefits.

Mike Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She couldn't afford her rent and had to move to a crappy house in a crappy neighborhood.

Meanwhile Harris cut my taxes and other people in the highest income levels. I was able to afford more toys, trips and vacations. My friend had to invent creative ways to make macaroni less boring.\

Harris cuts to many social programs including water testing contributed to the Walkerton disaster.
Walkerton Tragedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The sell off of the 407 to private interests and turning it into a toll highway still makes me angry.

The Conservatives don't represent your interests, nor are they necessarily fiscally responsible. They represent the interests of wealthy people and corporations. The NDP represents the interests of the poor and middle class. Effectively you shot yourself in the foot by voting conservative. Harper is going to screw you, just like Harris.
 

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You remind me of a women I know who was on welfare and voted for Mike Harris's common sense revolution. As soon as the Harris conservatives took power, they cut her benefits.
Than she wasn't eligible and was thus stealing all the years she was collecting before Harris gave her the boot.

Harper is going to screw you, just like Harris.
Funny, many of my contracts as of late, are the direct result of Harpers budget, Action Plan Canada programs. The feds are putting money almost directly into my bank account. But then again, I actually want to work for a living.
 

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Harper's income splitting for retirees is putting $2500 in tax savings in my pocket every year....and he promised to do it for every couple if he was elected so any couple with a single income or different tax bracket income should gain from that so the tax breaks are not all going to corporations.One income families will of course gain the most.
 

earth_as_one

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She was eligible, she was a single mother with two children and Harris was a cruel sob. Unless you are wealthy, Harper is going to screw you too.

Under the NDP, poor people would get subsidized housing, free (merit based) university and college, community services and crime prevention programs. The NDP is about helping poor people live a decent life and helping people get out of poverty. Sure that approach may cost more in the short term but in the long term, Canada would be more prosperous as Canadians become better educated and more productive.

The Conservatives are all about short term gain for the wealthy at the expense of long term pain for the poor. Under the Conservatives the poor will get poorer and the wealthy will get wealthier. Only wealthy people will be able to afford to send their children to university, so the poor class will have little chance of escaping poverty. Cuts to community services and social programs to keep youth busy and reduced benefits will lead to increased poverty, desperation and boredom. It will be a recipe for increased crime. The burden of taxes on the middle class will increase as someone has to pay for all those prisons and it isn't going to be the wealthy or corporations. If you want to know where the Conservatives intend to lead Canada, take a close look at the states. The biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US is getting sick, which leads to getting laid off and loosing your benefits. Workers have few rights and university is out of reach for most families.

Most likely I will be a major beneficiary of the Harper Conservatives which benefit the wealthy. I don't mind paying a high level of taxes as long as my tax dollars aren't wasted. When I get old and sick, I'd like to know the doctor was a bright kid who became a doctor based on merit, not his parent's ability to pay tuition. Same thing with the engineers who build bridges and other professional services. Instead these kids who should be doctors and engineers will end up flipping hamburgers for a living, while a rich idiot fumbles his way through my heart surgery.

Harper's income splitting for retirees is putting $2500 in tax savings in my pocket every year....and he promised to do it for every couple if he was elected so any couple with a single income or different tax bracket income should gain from that so the tax breaks are not all going to corporations.One income families will of course gain the most.
When is that going to happen?
 
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CDNBear

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She was eligible, she was a single mother with two children and Harris was a cruel sob.
Why does her being a single mother make her eligible?

Unless you are wealthy, Harper is going to screw you too.
I'm not wealthy and he's not screwing me.

Under the NDP, poor people would get subsidized housing, free (merit based) university and college, community services and crime prevention programs.
Maybe. Although by Layton's track record, it would be costly and end up a debacle.

Under the Conservatives the poor will get poorer and the wealthy will get wealthier.
Do you think I'm wealthy?

Only wealthy people will be able to afford to send their children to university, so the poor class will have little chance of escaping poverty.
Ever heard of OSAP?

Cuts to community services and social programs to keep youth busy and reduced benefits will lead to increased poverty, desperation and boredom.
Since when did the gov't take over my job as a parent? I'm not wealthy and my kids go to Cadets, contribute constructively to society, have licenses to hunt, the oldest is on his way to the Army (His choice), my youngest is being groomed to be a mentor for at risk Native youth.

A good parent doesn't need the Feds to do their job.

It will be a recipe for increased crime.
Only if those kids have piss poor parents.

The burden of taxes on the middle class will increase as someone has to pay for all those prisons and it isn't going to be the wealthy or corporations.
Do you even know why those prisons need to be built?