Haiti,lets discuss it civilly

earth_as_one

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I have enough on other strings to know some people are misinformed about the level of US charity. I don't care for many things the US does internationally, but they are the world leader in humanitarian aid and disaster relief for Haiti. Not just now, but for years...

...President Barack Obama promised at least $100 million in earthquake aid. That comes on top of substantial spending by the United States in Haiti in recent years for economic development, such as the country's textile industry, humanitarian assistance, environmental programs, and law enforcement, including trying to stop the use of Haiti as a pass-through point for narcotics en route to the United States.

Apart from earthquake relief, senators working on the next annual foreign assistance budget have proposed at least $282 million for Haiti; the House proposal would provide at least $165 million.


Much of the U.S. government's aid to Haiti comes through the U.S. Agency for International Development, which has provided at least $800 million from budget years 2004 through 2008, agency figures show....


The Canadian Press: As donors worldwide open wallets to help Haiti, following the money will be a challenge


In comparison, the Canadian government has only pledged $5M so far. That would make the US government about twice as generous per capita as the Canadian government, as they have about 10x's our population.


US foreign policy can be legitimately criticized in areas, but not when it comes to their level of aid to Haiti.
 

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UN has been around for 60 years and I think 2010 would be a good time for them to do something useful. I think a universal building code should be established. NOw I understand there would have to be some flexibility to account for local conditions. All building world wide from now on should meet certain codes. A possible exception would be igloos.
 

JLM

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I have enough on other strings to know some people are misinformed about the level of US charity. I don't care for many things the US does internationally, but they are the world leader in humanitarian aid and disaster relief for Haiti. Not just now, but for years...




In comparison, the Canadian government has only pledged $5M so far. That would make the US government about twice as generous per capita as the Canadian government, as they have about 10x's our population.


US foreign policy can be legitimately criticized in areas, but not when it comes to their level of aid to Haiti.

When it comes to charity, it's in bad form to be criticising the amount donated. Charity is a personal thing and as long as everyone does the best they can that's what matters. Does the $5 million contributed so far preclude us from making further donations? Didn't Harper say he'd match personal contributions up to $50 million? These are early days. Money is not the only contribution being made. No need to stir up trouble on a matter like this.
 

Risus

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What is it with those people?? They complain that aid is not arriving fast enough so they make roadblocks with corpses to slow things down even more. Makes you wonder if the effort is even worth while.
 
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#juan

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Canada's contribution so far:

Canada pledges $555 million in aid to Haiti


Source: Reuters



I don't know if this includes the aircraft and the navy ships that left a few days ago. There were a couple Canadian C-17s in Haiti a couple days ago.
 

JLM

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What is it with those people?? They complain that aid is not arriving fast enough so the make roadblocks with corpses to slow things down even more. Makes you wonder if the effort is even worth while.

When most people consider this situation for more than about 2 seconds they realize it's a situation that is beyond their control.
 

MHz

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What is it with those people?? They complain that aid is not arriving fast enough so they make roadblocks with corpses to slow things down even more. Makes you wonder if the effort is even worth while.
Perhaps they were hoping the ones with the trucks and loaders could drop off food and water and pick up the rotting flesh for proper disposal (at sea) while they went back to carry more out for pick-up. Did you consider this ?
 

TenPenny

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Rush raises more for charity than most.

'Mr Robertson and Mr Limbaugh...you serve no good, you serve no God. You inspire only stupidity and hatred, and I would wish you to Hell, but knowing how empty your souls must be, for you to be able to say such things in a time of such pain, I suspect the vacant, purposeless lives you both live now are Hell enough already.'
Keith Olbermann
 

YukonJack

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Well, I guess, I was wrong!

It seemed a bit high, but I still have doubts about delivery.

If I hurt anyone's sensibilities, I apologize.
 

karrie

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Mine seem to be in good health Yukon, no worries... I'd wondered the same thing you did, that's why I went looking.
 

EagleSmack

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The sad fact of disaster relief is everybody wants to be first in line

I also believe that the people of Haiti are overwhelmed with everything and the streets are probably the only place clear enough to line up bodies. I doubt it is intentional.
 

countryboy

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I've heard that most port facilities have been pretty much destroyed...if true, is that going to mess up the unloading of relief ships? Just asking...not quite up to date on the details.
 

countryboy

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I also believe that the people of Haiti are overwhelmed with everything and the streets are probably the only place clear enough to line up bodies. I doubt it is intentional.

Yes, it must be an organizational nightmare. I think you're likely quite right, ES - the streets might be the only open spaces to line up the bodies. Bloody awful situation. I saw the aftermath of the Kobe earthquake in Japan in '95 and it wasn't pretty...and I do remember the streets did have some open areas, where the buildings hadn't fallen into them.
 

EagleSmack

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I've heard that most port facilities have been pretty much destroyed...if true, is that going to mess up the unloading of relief ships? Just asking...not quite up to date on the details.

It may slow things down if they cannot dock. I am not sure what sort of ships the Navy is sending but if they send the Amphibious ships they can get tons of supplies ashore on any beach rather quickly. The key will be getting them off the beach and to affected areas in the country.

Logistics...that is the key.