Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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I already knew this......and I repeat once more for those who have a reading and comprehension problem.......There are NO ACCURATE STATS coming out of the US on gun violence and haven't been since 1996. It doesn't matter which chart you choose, it will be wrong. There has been no central reporting on gun violence since 1996. The NRA does not want gun control and they don't care how many children, suicides, homicides, or school shooting there are. It will be an almighty shock to the people of the US next year, if Obama has reinstated the funding to the CDC to see how much damage uncontrolled gun use has done.
I did notice you omitted the stats that says in 12 states and DC gun deaths have surpassed those of automobiles.
In Canada gun control does work, deaths by firearms are down, and I am very familiar with them. All the stats say that in 2015 car accidents will out number the deaths by firearms. They are just about even now.
As I said before, if you do not know what you are talking about, just do us all a favour, and shut up.
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Yet you claimed it was true for the USA as a whole......
As I said before, if you do not know what you are talking about, just do us all a favour, and shut up
Ahh.....homicides are going down.........as the gov't loosens gun control laws. They killed the long gun registry in 2012.
As I said before, if you do not know what you are talking about, just do us all a favour, and shut up
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What a bunch of sore losers, sure don't like stats unless you agree with them Well now ain't that a crying shame!!
bluebyrd35 said:
What about swimming pool laws in Canada? Surely, even one child drowning is too many?
Since, the knife is Canada's murder weapon of choice, what do you suggest we do about them? Should we take away all camping knives from boy scouts?
We're gonna get a custom cage made for my gun: maturemetal.com.
Store bought genetic brands are either too big of too small. Not that my gun needs to be locked up, but it's nicer that way. I plsn to give her the keys so it'll be like my gun is gift wrapped every time.
Store bought genetic brands are either too big of too small. Not that my gun needs to be locked up, but it's nicer that way. I plsn to give her the keys so it'll be like my gun is gift wrapped every time.
Dear me you are quite the flim flam artist aren't you.....Yes you gave the FBI chart. Murder victims??? Where are the accidental ones, involving children....or those of teens and adults. As I said....THERE ARE NO COMPLETE stats on gun violence down And why would a FBI agent investigate an accidental shooting if the local police deemed it to be so??. The FBI must be asked in to a case by the local police. Either you cannot read well or you purposely twist like a worm on a hook. You have honed in on a few of my facts, but I don't see you admitting to all the garbage I proved you wrong on.
A week ago, a bullet came through a young baby's room and killed it. I don't think the shooter was aiming for a child in a crib. Why don't you take your stupid flawed stats and opinions and get lost.
Oh and what has abolishing of the LGR to do with either the rising or lowering of Canada's stats. Absolutely nothing. You still have to buy a license for guns in Canada and the police can look them up easily with cause. The registry simply helped them get there faster. So quit waving that red herring about as if it means something.
Yes it is, but the law in Quebec is fence the pool in and mine is. The question should have been ...... should we be fencing off all lakes, rivers and streams??? Seems kind of excessive to me, but if you feel strongly enough about it start petitioning for a law.
The knife deaths are up since gun control in Canada, but since knives are rather essential in preparing meals and butchering meat, even opening packages, I don't see banning them as a solution. The primary purpose of knives was not for killing and robbing others of our species, they do not even qualify for as an argument, for no gun control. Besides, if we banned knives, the human race has some very aggressive members and we would have to move to banning baseball bats, 2 x 4's and all blunt objects.
On the news two shootings, only one dead in this area. Wonder how the rest of the state did today.
But if taking away knives from boy scouts can save the life of just one child, aren't you prepared to cut you meals with the dull edge of a fork, have butchers use only electric slicing machines, and open packages with the serrated edge of your keys?
In general, violent crime is disproportionately committed by youth and young adults. This finding is particularly true with respect to violent crime committed with knives. In 2008, those 12 to 24 years of age accounted for half (50%) of all persons accused of a violent crime committed with a knife.
Surely, if we take away all knives from law abiding citizens, we could prevent these criminals from acquiring knives.
Buy a KA1300 ka-bar outdoor in Canada
Check out this knife that is freely sold in Canada, it's primary purpose was not combat, clearly this is just a decorative knife designed for buttering bread.
Oh and what has abolishing of the LGR to do with either the rising or lowering of Canada's stats. Absolutely nothing. You still have to buy a license for guns in Canada and the police can look them up easily with cause. The registry simply helped them get there faster. So quit waving that red herring about as if it means something.
Wrong. Only law abiding people have to get a license. Criminals decided to ignore that law. Funny that.
Wrong. Only law abiding people have to get a license. Criminals decided to ignore that law. Funny that.
LORNE GUNTER | EDMONTON SUN
When the federal Conservative government abolished the long-gun registry back in 2012, gun-control advocates predicted no end to the criminal chaos that would result.If duck hunters, farmers and collectors were no longer required to register their rifles and shotguns, women would not be safe in their homes. They would be slaughtered by their murderous male partners.
One Ontario women's legal clinic even tried to stop the dismantling of the registry by taking the Stephen Harper government to court. The Barbra Schlifer Clinic insisted it was a violation of women's Charter rights to no longer be protected by the registry.
Gun-control activists also forecast rampant crime in Canadian streets. And, of course, the murder rate would soar.
However the 2013 homicide figures were released by Statistics Canada on Monday. In the first full year without the registry, the murder rate in Canada went down significantly - 8%.
More specifically, "the rate of firearm-related homicide decreased 25%."
The registry was never a bulwark against crime, and now the numbers prove it.
The overall rate of homicide in Canada is now at its lowest level since 1966. And the rate of firearms homicide is, according to StatsCan, "the lowest ... since comparable data became available in 1974."
This good news has little or nothing to do with the gun registry, for good or bad. This is mostly the continuation of a downward trend in murders that began in mid-1970s.
The reduction is demographic not legislative. The number of young men as a percentage of the population began to decline in 1974 and murders have declined in direct proportion ever since.
A new registry would contribute nothing.
Statistics Canada also reports that "both victim and accused are likely male." About 70% of murder victims and 90% of murderers are men.
Indeed, "intimate partner homicides are down," contradicting the predictions by feminists that, sans registry, it would be open war on women.
Guns aren't even the most common method of killing. The three main methods of murder are stabbings (40%), shootings (27%) and beatings (21%).
Even in cases of firearms murder, 68% were committed with handguns - a rate that has been growing for more than three decades - and handguns must still be registered, just as they have had to be since 1934.
Even in Quebec, where the government is suing Ottawa to retain the data from the defunct registry, the murder rate fell in 2013. Despite the Quebec government insisting it needs to keep the records from the registry to ensure public safety, Quebec's rate last year was lower than at any time in the past 50 years.
Quebec has the second-lowest murder rate in the country behind Prince Edward Island.
The point is, the registry should neither be mourned nor reinstated. It provided no appreciable help in preventing crime.
Still, despite facts showing that law-abiding gun owners are not now and never were the source of gun crime in Canada (and therefore making them register their guns was always useless), it is impossible to get most officials in Ottawa to give up the belief that civil gun owners were a threat to their communities.
That was the mindset on display in High River, Alberta following the 2013 spring floods when Mounties were apparently so convinced that civilians with guns would revolt that they kept residents out of their flood-ravaged homes for nearly two weeks while they searched for and seized guns.
Sun News : Civil gun owners no threat
When the federal Conservative government abolished the long-gun registry back in 2012, gun-control advocates predicted no end to the criminal chaos that would result.If duck hunters, farmers and collectors were no longer required to register their rifles and shotguns, women would not be safe in their homes. They would be slaughtered by their murderous male partners.
One Ontario women's legal clinic even tried to stop the dismantling of the registry by taking the Stephen Harper government to court. The Barbra Schlifer Clinic insisted it was a violation of women's Charter rights to no longer be protected by the registry.
Gun-control activists also forecast rampant crime in Canadian streets. And, of course, the murder rate would soar.
However the 2013 homicide figures were released by Statistics Canada on Monday. In the first full year without the registry, the murder rate in Canada went down significantly - 8%.
More specifically, "the rate of firearm-related homicide decreased 25%."
The registry was never a bulwark against crime, and now the numbers prove it.
The overall rate of homicide in Canada is now at its lowest level since 1966. And the rate of firearms homicide is, according to StatsCan, "the lowest ... since comparable data became available in 1974."
This good news has little or nothing to do with the gun registry, for good or bad. This is mostly the continuation of a downward trend in murders that began in mid-1970s.
The reduction is demographic not legislative. The number of young men as a percentage of the population began to decline in 1974 and murders have declined in direct proportion ever since.
A new registry would contribute nothing.
Statistics Canada also reports that "both victim and accused are likely male." About 70% of murder victims and 90% of murderers are men.
Indeed, "intimate partner homicides are down," contradicting the predictions by feminists that, sans registry, it would be open war on women.
Guns aren't even the most common method of killing. The three main methods of murder are stabbings (40%), shootings (27%) and beatings (21%).
Even in cases of firearms murder, 68% were committed with handguns - a rate that has been growing for more than three decades - and handguns must still be registered, just as they have had to be since 1934.
Even in Quebec, where the government is suing Ottawa to retain the data from the defunct registry, the murder rate fell in 2013. Despite the Quebec government insisting it needs to keep the records from the registry to ensure public safety, Quebec's rate last year was lower than at any time in the past 50 years.
Quebec has the second-lowest murder rate in the country behind Prince Edward Island.
The point is, the registry should neither be mourned nor reinstated. It provided no appreciable help in preventing crime.
Still, despite facts showing that law-abiding gun owners are not now and never were the source of gun crime in Canada (and therefore making them register their guns was always useless), it is impossible to get most officials in Ottawa to give up the belief that civil gun owners were a threat to their communities.
That was the mindset on display in High River, Alberta following the 2013 spring floods when Mounties were apparently so convinced that civilians with guns would revolt that they kept residents out of their flood-ravaged homes for nearly two weeks while they searched for and seized guns.
Sun News : Civil gun owners no threat
NDP government would create new and improved gun registry ‘without going overboard,’ Mulcair says
Jordan Press, Postmedia News | December 3, 2014 2:53 PM ET
More from Postmedia News
NDP Leader Tom Mulcair said Wednesday a New Democrat government would create a gun registry that would allow police to track every firearm in Canada.
Mulcair stopped short of saying that he wants to reconstitute the long-gun registry, which the Tories did away with in 2012. He said the registry, brought in by the previous Liberal government, was problematic.
“There has to be a way to get this done to ensure public protection without going overboard,” Mulcair said.
Farmers and hunters strenuously objected to the registry, but Mulcair says requiring firearms to be registered is no different than the obligation to register a car or license a dog. And he says duck hunters don’t need assault rifles, unless they’re planning to shoot a pterodactyl.
Mulcair made the comments after meeting with his caucus, and days before the 25th anniversary of the shooting at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal. As well, the Commons has a new gun bill before it, C-42, that would loosen restrictions around transporting prohibited and restricted firearms, and give cabinet the final say over how guns are classified.
Mulcair’s comments are likely to go over well in Quebec – the main source of the NDP’s seats in the Commons. That province is fighting to keep the data from the now-defunct federal registry so it can create a registry of its own.
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau told reporters that his party had no interest in bringing back a long-gun registry. He said the government could do more around how guns are classified, and the “proper review” of people who buy a firearm.
With files from The Canadian Press
NDP government would create new and improved gun registry ‘without going overboard,’ Mulcair says | National Post
Jordan Press, Postmedia News | December 3, 2014 2:53 PM ETMore from Postmedia News
NDP Leader Tom Mulcair said Wednesday a New Democrat government would create a gun registry that would allow police to track every firearm in Canada.
Mulcair stopped short of saying that he wants to reconstitute the long-gun registry, which the Tories did away with in 2012. He said the registry, brought in by the previous Liberal government, was problematic.
“There has to be a way to get this done to ensure public protection without going overboard,” Mulcair said.
Farmers and hunters strenuously objected to the registry, but Mulcair says requiring firearms to be registered is no different than the obligation to register a car or license a dog. And he says duck hunters don’t need assault rifles, unless they’re planning to shoot a pterodactyl.
Mulcair made the comments after meeting with his caucus, and days before the 25th anniversary of the shooting at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal. As well, the Commons has a new gun bill before it, C-42, that would loosen restrictions around transporting prohibited and restricted firearms, and give cabinet the final say over how guns are classified.
Mulcair’s comments are likely to go over well in Quebec – the main source of the NDP’s seats in the Commons. That province is fighting to keep the data from the now-defunct federal registry so it can create a registry of its own.
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau told reporters that his party had no interest in bringing back a long-gun registry. He said the government could do more around how guns are classified, and the “proper review” of people who buy a firearm.
With files from The Canadian Press
NDP government would create new and improved gun registry ‘without going overboard,’ Mulcair says | National Post
Isn't that what I said?? Abolishing the LGR did nothing either way. It helped the police that's it!! As for the license, for goodness sake pay the taxes (license) to catch those whose intentions are human game.
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