Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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There are no special feelings. Guns are tools. You are projecting because you have special feelings about them.
Some cities have decided they want to have a gun ban.
My position is that they should be allowed to do so.
Yet another huge win for your team.Panic About Peaceful Protest Reveals Gun Controllers' Bigotry
Erroneous predictions of violence at the Richmond rally conflated civil libertarians with militant racists.
Jacob Sullum | 1.29.2020 12:01 AM
(Michael Nigro/Zuma Press/Newscom)
After a gun rights rally in Richmond came and went last week without the "violence, rioting, and insurrection" predicted by Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D), Talia Lavin could not believe her eyes, and she urged the rest of us not to believe our eyes either. "It seems myopic at best to describe the Monday event as 'peaceful,'" Lavin wrote in a GQ article about the rally, which attracted thousands of armed Second Amendment supporters energized by Northam's gun control agenda.
Lavin's reality-bending assessment reflects a Manichean attitude, all too common among gun control supporters, that casts sincere policy disagreements as a battle between good and evil. That attitude explains why so many activists, politicians, and journalists found it easy to equate a gathering of civil libertarians, organized around the defense of constitutional rights, with an invasion by white supremacists determined to sow chaos and provoke a race war.
Explaining his executive order banning firearms from Richmond's Capitol Square during an annual demonstration organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), Northam invoked the 2017 "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, which featured explicit racism, clashes between protesters and counterprotesters, and deadly vehicular violence. Northam said the VCDL rally, which had been held without violence for nearly two decades, this year justified a "state of emergency" because "credible intelligence gathered by Virginia's law enforcement agencies" suggested it would attract militant racists bent on "storming the Capitol."
Northam's gun ban, which implicated the First Amendment as well as the Second given the obvious expressive value of bearing arms at a rally defending the right to do so, seemed blatantly illegal. A 2012 Virginia law that Northam himself supported as a state legislator bars the governor from using a state of emergency as an excuse to "prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms," including the "otherwise lawful" public possession of guns. The only exception is for restrictions "necessary to ensure public safety" in "an emergency shelter."
The factual basis for Northam's order was nearly as weak. The Associated Press reported that "Northam has grown increasingly concerned about numerous ominous-sounding postings on social media from forces outside Virginia," but "the state does not have intelligence that the groups are planning a specific act of violence."
The strongest evidence of incipient violence was the FBI's January 16 arrest of three neo-Nazi knuckleheads who had talked about attending the VCDL demonstration in the hope of triggering a "full-blown civil war." Lavin, whose article was illustrated by rifles arranged in the shape of a swastika, averred that the men "had planned to open fire into the crowd"—not the smartest strategy given what she described as "a spectacular arsenal of weaponry" possessed by that crowd.
The press nevertheless did its best to make Northam's nightmare seem plausible. The New York Times mentioned Gun Owners of America, a Virginia-based organization dedicated to defending the Second Amendment, in the same breath as the out-of-state "hate groups" that supposedly planned to turn the rally into a "boogaloo"—"an event that will accelerate the race war they have anticipated for decades."
The Times also described VCDL President Philip Van Cleave as an "extremist," based on this Goldwater-esque quote from a letter to the editor he wrote last July: "There's nothing wrong with being extreme in the preservation of our civil rights. VCDL is proud to be categorized as an extremist organization, and we fully intend to continue being such!" Hence the print headline over the paper's profile of Van Cleave: "Self-Described Extremist Calls for 'Peaceful Event.'"
Northam predictably attributed the lack of violence at the rally to his prudent preparations. But while police, per his order, prevented the 6,000 or so protesters who entered Capitol Square from carrying firearms, many more—some 16,000, according to local authorities—participated from outside the perimeter, where guns were very much in evidence.
"Today showed that when people disagree, they can do so peacefully," Northam said. When the subject is guns, unfortunately, they cannot do so without being tarred as brutal bigots.
https://reason.com/2020/01/29/panic-about-peaceful-protest-reveals-gun-controllers-bigotry/
Absolutely hilarious!!
The idea that these three idiots (including a Canadian) were going to fire into the crowd........of 20,000 mostly armed citizens.
Two points:
1. I do not believe even a Nazi is stupid enough to start a fight with 20,000 mostly armed people.
2. If they are that stupid, the FBI saved their lives when they arrested them.
Meanwhile
Gun-Control Bills Move Forward in Virginia
Democrats, wielding legislative power, press ahead on contentious issue
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-control-bills-move-forward-in-virginia-11580416172
The Virginia House passed several gun-control bills Thursday, including universal background checks and a red-flag measure to temporarily take firearms from people deemed dangerous, moving the state closer to a broad suite of new restrictions.
But technically, jaywalking is not in the Criminal Code, so it is not a crime. Not in the national sense, at least.
Summons just like the US.
But technically, jaywalking is not in the Criminal Code, so it is not a crime. Not in the national sense, at least.
Little-known fact. . . the Ute Nation has no gun control on their reservation, and claims that under the treaty, any Federal or state gun control laws have no effect on their members.
So, yep. . .
Gun Control Is Completely Uteless.
So, yep. . .
Gun Control Is Completely Uteless.
Well maybe a separate count is needed of the demographics of the various incarcerated!
(I didn't mention specifics of any numbers)
In a surprise announcement this week, Toronto Mayor John Tory walked back his long-standing position of a citywide handgun ban.
“Our police services have been clear that the vast majority of guns being seized are illegal guns from the U.S.,” Tory wrote on Twitter. https://twitter.com/JohnTory/status/1222220240483946496
It’s refreshing to hear Tory admit illegal guns from the U.S. are the problem.
This tacit admission that the Liberal government's proposed "assault-style weapon" buyback program won't (and can't) stop gang shootings in Canada's largest city is quite a shift for the mayor who, at one point, requested legal gun owners leave Toronto.
“If it’s someone who’s involved in a gun club, perhaps they could do that somewhere else…”
He made no such demand of all the drug dealers, gangs or other violent criminals responsible for shooting up the streets of Toronto.
“As elected representatives of our community, we also committed to lobbying for changes to the legal system so there are tougher bail laws and sentencing for repeat offenders who are caught engaging in gun violence and trafficking illegal guns.”
Mayor Tory also seems to be paying attention to the CSSA’s calls for government to track individuals with firearm prohibition orders registered against them.
The 2018 Commissioner of Firearms Report says that, as of December 31, 2018, there are 459,538 individuals prohibited from possessing firearms. [ii]
Through a series of Access to Information requests, firearm researcher Dennis Young discovered no agency at any level of government tracks these violence-prone individuals. [iii]
In November 2019, a search of news reports revealed 41 people with firearm prohibition orders against them were re-arrested while illegally possessing firearms.
In December 2019, a search of news reports revealed another 38 repeat offenders were arrested.
There is also no plan for ensuring all guns are removed from the subjects of firearm prohibition orders.
In the case of Francois Pepin, a man with a history of violence and threatening police, this lack of follow-through cost Laval Police Constable Valérie Gignac her life. Pepin shot and killed her on December 14, 2005. [iv]
If we want to stop repeat offenders, our very first step must be to ensure those offenders obey the conditions of their release, including firearm prohibition orders.
If Mayor Tory is finally seeing the light, we applaud him.
We encourage him to urge the federal government to introduce legislation so those who have already proved they are a danger to society – those with firearm prohibition orders imposed by the courts – can be monitored and tracked with at least the same diligence as RCMP-vetted, federally-licensed gun owners.
Sources:
https://twitter.com/JohnTory/status/1222220240483946496 https://twitter.com/JohnTory/status/1222220240483946496
[ii] http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/2018-commissioner-firearms-report
[iii] https://dennisryoung.ca/2020/01/25/firearms-act-fails-to-track-highest-priority-gun-control-targets/
[iv] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-charged-with-killing-cop-was-under-firearms-ban-1.554436
The piece, although interesting, is a bit poorly written. Admitting he knows 82% of seized handguns in Toronto are smuggled from the USA, and dropping the idiot city-wide handgun ban are two different things.
But there is hope he has woken up.
In a surprise announcement this week, Toronto Mayor John Tory walked back his long-standing position of a citywide handgun ban.
“Our police services have been clear that the vast majority of guns being seized are illegal guns from the U.S.,” Tory wrote on Twitter. https://twitter.com/JohnTory/status/1222220240483946496
It’s refreshing to hear Tory admit illegal guns from the U.S. are the problem.
This tacit admission that the Liberal government's proposed "assault-style weapon" buyback program won't (and can't) stop gang shootings in Canada's largest city is quite a shift for the mayor who, at one point, requested legal gun owners leave Toronto.
“If it’s someone who’s involved in a gun club, perhaps they could do that somewhere else…”
He made no such demand of all the drug dealers, gangs or other violent criminals responsible for shooting up the streets of Toronto.
“As elected representatives of our community, we also committed to lobbying for changes to the legal system so there are tougher bail laws and sentencing for repeat offenders who are caught engaging in gun violence and trafficking illegal guns.”
Mayor Tory also seems to be paying attention to the CSSA’s calls for government to track individuals with firearm prohibition orders registered against them.
The 2018 Commissioner of Firearms Report says that, as of December 31, 2018, there are 459,538 individuals prohibited from possessing firearms. [ii]
Through a series of Access to Information requests, firearm researcher Dennis Young discovered no agency at any level of government tracks these violence-prone individuals. [iii]
In November 2019, a search of news reports revealed 41 people with firearm prohibition orders against them were re-arrested while illegally possessing firearms.
In December 2019, a search of news reports revealed another 38 repeat offenders were arrested.
There is also no plan for ensuring all guns are removed from the subjects of firearm prohibition orders.
In the case of Francois Pepin, a man with a history of violence and threatening police, this lack of follow-through cost Laval Police Constable Valérie Gignac her life. Pepin shot and killed her on December 14, 2005. [iv]
If we want to stop repeat offenders, our very first step must be to ensure those offenders obey the conditions of their release, including firearm prohibition orders.
If Mayor Tory is finally seeing the light, we applaud him.
We encourage him to urge the federal government to introduce legislation so those who have already proved they are a danger to society – those with firearm prohibition orders imposed by the courts – can be monitored and tracked with at least the same diligence as RCMP-vetted, federally-licensed gun owners.
Sources:
https://twitter.com/JohnTory/status/1222220240483946496 https://twitter.com/JohnTory/status/1222220240483946496
[ii] http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/2018-commissioner-firearms-report
[iii] https://dennisryoung.ca/2020/01/25/firearms-act-fails-to-track-highest-priority-gun-control-targets/
[iv] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-charged-with-killing-cop-was-under-firearms-ban-1.554436
Not sure where you dug this turd up from but please put it back.
Nobody has backed off of handgun bans.