Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Competing petitions:
Petition to the House of Commons (e-1923 Firearms)
Whereas:
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e-2341 (Democratic process)
The Government of Canada has expressed its intention to ban, what it refers to as “military-style assault rifles”, through an Order in Council;
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Petition e-1923 (Firearms) ended with 20,110 signatures, after running full term.
Petition e-2341 (Democratic Process) has 135,009 signatures, with 17 days to go before closure.
Shows who cares, and who doesn't, to say the least..
Petition to the House of Commons (e-1923 Firearms)
Whereas:
- Handguns account for 58% of shooting homicides;
- Military assault weapons such as the AR-15 used in the Parkland Florida massacre are sold to civilians in Canada;
- There are now nearly 1 million legally owned handguns in Canada;
- Many legal handguns end up in the hands of violent criminals as a result of illegal sales, theft and diversion;
- More crime guns that are traced come from Canadian sources;
- Handguns and military weapons are not used for hunting, by farmers or indigenous people for legitimate purposes and United States style arming for “self- protection” is rising;
- The Supreme Court of Canada has said there is no “right” to own guns, like the United States Second Amendment, in Canada;
- Easy access to handguns and other restricted and prohibited weapons fuels gang violence, domestic violence, suicide and undermines community safety;
- Canada has the fourth highest rate of gun deaths among OECD countries and is one of few developed countries to have loosened its gun laws in past decades;
- Countries like the United Kingdom, Australia and Japan have shown that strict gun control laws lead to dramatically lower gun homicide, crime and death rates;
- The majority of Canadians support stronger gun laws; and
- Reducing easy access to handguns and military assault weapons will increase safety in both urban and rural Canada.
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e-2341 (Democratic process)
The Government of Canada has expressed its intention to ban, what it refers to as “military-style assault rifles”, through an Order in Council;
- Public Safety Canada’s information notes this is not a legal definition in Canada;
- The use of an Order in Council is an egregious overreach of executive authorities, bypassing the democratic process of the House and the elected representatives of Canadians;
- This executive order would strip law-abiding Canadians it has approved through the RCMP Canada Firearms Program, of their legally purchased property;
- The use of an Order in Council ignores the Government’s survey on firearms where “the majority of respondents did not support further limiting access to firearms & assault-style firearms”;
- The proposed buyback of legal, licenced firearms could cost the Canadian taxpayer over $250,000,000 which could be better spent on initiatives that have an appreciable positive impact on public safety such as: deter youth from gangs, addiction treatment, mental health, strengthened border security, and increase police anti-gang capacities;
- An Order in Council ban on “military-style assault rifles” would fail to take firearms away from criminals; and
- A ban would unfairly target Canadian firearms owners who are already among the most vetted in Canadian society. Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) and Restricted PAL (RPAL) holders are subject to daily screening and are statistically proven to be less likely to commit crimes than non-PAL & non-RPAL holders.
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Petition e-1923 (Firearms) ended with 20,110 signatures, after running full term.
Petition e-2341 (Democratic Process) has 135,009 signatures, with 17 days to go before closure.
Shows who cares, and who doesn't, to say the least..
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Panic About Peaceful Protest Reveals Gun Controllers' Bigotry
Erroneous predictions of violence at the Richmond rally conflated civil libertarians with militant racists.
Jacob Sullum | 1.29.2020 12:01 AM
(Michael Nigro/Zuma Press/Newscom)
After a gun rights rally in Richmond came and went last week without the "violence, rioting, and insurrection" predicted by Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D), Talia Lavin could not believe her eyes, and she urged the rest of us not to believe our eyes either. "It seems myopic at best to describe the Monday event as 'peaceful,'" Lavin wrote in a GQ article about the rally, which attracted thousands of armed Second Amendment supporters energized by Northam's gun control agenda.
Lavin's reality-bending assessment reflects a Manichean attitude, all too common among gun control supporters, that casts sincere policy disagreements as a battle between good and evil. That attitude explains why so many activists, politicians, and journalists found it easy to equate a gathering of civil libertarians, organized around the defense of constitutional rights, with an invasion by white supremacists determined to sow chaos and provoke a race war.
Explaining his executive order banning firearms from Richmond's Capitol Square during an annual demonstration organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), Northam invoked the 2017 "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, which featured explicit racism, clashes between protesters and counterprotesters, and deadly vehicular violence. Northam said the VCDL rally, which had been held without violence for nearly two decades, this year justified a "state of emergency" because "credible intelligence gathered by Virginia's law enforcement agencies" suggested it would attract militant racists bent on "storming the Capitol."
Northam's gun ban, which implicated the First Amendment as well as the Second given the obvious expressive value of bearing arms at a rally defending the right to do so, seemed blatantly illegal. A 2012 Virginia law that Northam himself supported as a state legislator bars the governor from using a state of emergency as an excuse to "prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms," including the "otherwise lawful" public possession of guns. The only exception is for restrictions "necessary to ensure public safety" in "an emergency shelter."
The factual basis for Northam's order was nearly as weak. The Associated Press reported that "Northam has grown increasingly concerned about numerous ominous-sounding postings on social media from forces outside Virginia," but "the state does not have intelligence that the groups are planning a specific act of violence."
The strongest evidence of incipient violence was the FBI's January 16 arrest of three neo-Nazi knuckleheads who had talked about attending the VCDL demonstration in the hope of triggering a "full-blown civil war." Lavin, whose article was illustrated by rifles arranged in the shape of a swastika, averred that the men "had planned to open fire into the crowd"—not the smartest strategy given what she described as "a spectacular arsenal of weaponry" possessed by that crowd.
The press nevertheless did its best to make Northam's nightmare seem plausible. The New York Times mentioned Gun Owners of America, a Virginia-based organization dedicated to defending the Second Amendment, in the same breath as the out-of-state "hate groups" that supposedly planned to turn the rally into a "boogaloo"—"an event that will accelerate the race war they have anticipated for decades."
The Times also described VCDL President Philip Van Cleave as an "extremist," based on this Goldwater-esque quote from a letter to the editor he wrote last July: "There's nothing wrong with being extreme in the preservation of our civil rights. VCDL is proud to be categorized as an extremist organization, and we fully intend to continue being such!" Hence the print headline over the paper's profile of Van Cleave: "Self-Described Extremist Calls for 'Peaceful Event.'"
Northam predictably attributed the lack of violence at the rally to his prudent preparations. But while police, per his order, prevented the 6,000 or so protesters who entered Capitol Square from carrying firearms, many more—some 16,000, according to local authorities—participated from outside the perimeter, where guns were very much in evidence.
"Today showed that when people disagree, they can do so peacefully," Northam said. When the subject is guns, unfortunately, they cannot do so without being tarred as brutal bigots.
https://reason.com/2020/01/29/panic-about-peaceful-protest-reveals-gun-controllers-bigotry/
Absolutely hilarious!!
The idea that these three idiots (including a Canadian) were going to fire into the crowd........of 20,000 mostly armed citizens.
Two points:
1. I do not believe even a Nazi is stupid enough to start a fight with 20,000 mostly armed people.
2. If they are that stupid, the FBI saved their lives when they arrested them.
Erroneous predictions of violence at the Richmond rally conflated civil libertarians with militant racists.
Jacob Sullum | 1.29.2020 12:01 AM
(Michael Nigro/Zuma Press/Newscom)
After a gun rights rally in Richmond came and went last week without the "violence, rioting, and insurrection" predicted by Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D), Talia Lavin could not believe her eyes, and she urged the rest of us not to believe our eyes either. "It seems myopic at best to describe the Monday event as 'peaceful,'" Lavin wrote in a GQ article about the rally, which attracted thousands of armed Second Amendment supporters energized by Northam's gun control agenda.
Lavin's reality-bending assessment reflects a Manichean attitude, all too common among gun control supporters, that casts sincere policy disagreements as a battle between good and evil. That attitude explains why so many activists, politicians, and journalists found it easy to equate a gathering of civil libertarians, organized around the defense of constitutional rights, with an invasion by white supremacists determined to sow chaos and provoke a race war.
Explaining his executive order banning firearms from Richmond's Capitol Square during an annual demonstration organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), Northam invoked the 2017 "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, which featured explicit racism, clashes between protesters and counterprotesters, and deadly vehicular violence. Northam said the VCDL rally, which had been held without violence for nearly two decades, this year justified a "state of emergency" because "credible intelligence gathered by Virginia's law enforcement agencies" suggested it would attract militant racists bent on "storming the Capitol."
Northam's gun ban, which implicated the First Amendment as well as the Second given the obvious expressive value of bearing arms at a rally defending the right to do so, seemed blatantly illegal. A 2012 Virginia law that Northam himself supported as a state legislator bars the governor from using a state of emergency as an excuse to "prohibit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms," including the "otherwise lawful" public possession of guns. The only exception is for restrictions "necessary to ensure public safety" in "an emergency shelter."
The factual basis for Northam's order was nearly as weak. The Associated Press reported that "Northam has grown increasingly concerned about numerous ominous-sounding postings on social media from forces outside Virginia," but "the state does not have intelligence that the groups are planning a specific act of violence."
The strongest evidence of incipient violence was the FBI's January 16 arrest of three neo-Nazi knuckleheads who had talked about attending the VCDL demonstration in the hope of triggering a "full-blown civil war." Lavin, whose article was illustrated by rifles arranged in the shape of a swastika, averred that the men "had planned to open fire into the crowd"—not the smartest strategy given what she described as "a spectacular arsenal of weaponry" possessed by that crowd.
The press nevertheless did its best to make Northam's nightmare seem plausible. The New York Times mentioned Gun Owners of America, a Virginia-based organization dedicated to defending the Second Amendment, in the same breath as the out-of-state "hate groups" that supposedly planned to turn the rally into a "boogaloo"—"an event that will accelerate the race war they have anticipated for decades."
The Times also described VCDL President Philip Van Cleave as an "extremist," based on this Goldwater-esque quote from a letter to the editor he wrote last July: "There's nothing wrong with being extreme in the preservation of our civil rights. VCDL is proud to be categorized as an extremist organization, and we fully intend to continue being such!" Hence the print headline over the paper's profile of Van Cleave: "Self-Described Extremist Calls for 'Peaceful Event.'"
Northam predictably attributed the lack of violence at the rally to his prudent preparations. But while police, per his order, prevented the 6,000 or so protesters who entered Capitol Square from carrying firearms, many more—some 16,000, according to local authorities—participated from outside the perimeter, where guns were very much in evidence.
"Today showed that when people disagree, they can do so peacefully," Northam said. When the subject is guns, unfortunately, they cannot do so without being tarred as brutal bigots.
https://reason.com/2020/01/29/panic-about-peaceful-protest-reveals-gun-controllers-bigotry/
Absolutely hilarious!!
The idea that these three idiots (including a Canadian) were going to fire into the crowd........of 20,000 mostly armed citizens.
Two points:
1. I do not believe even a Nazi is stupid enough to start a fight with 20,000 mostly armed people.
2. If they are that stupid, the FBI saved their lives when they arrested them.
From reports I've listened to lately, our prison system in Canada is largely a failure for a couple of reasons. The ethnicity of the prison population is largely out of balance. Recidivism rates are horrendous largely due to rehabilitation being largely a myth. You don't rehabilitate mental cases by throwing them in solitary.
It is sometimes hard , but I am trying to stop taking his bait . I think he is getting frustrated as less and less of us are falling for his act .